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pwner
I now did some research and i have studied a lot on this subject. If a woman wants to have an abortion she can and no one should stop her. Many woman have accidentally become pregnant by rape, condom failure, and curiosity << sad.gif. I know that a baby is a living breathing thing but if the woman does not want to keep it she should abort it. Which would you rather pick..a horrible life full of suffering and pain, or die without knowing it? I myself would pick die without knowing it. It is WWAAYY much better than a horrible life..trust me..i have one....ish

A woman has rights to!

~pwner~
Kalzilla
Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.
Rs_folk_G's_up
i accidently put maybe but i say no. There is no reason to kill your baby. even if it is consived through rape. If a woman is raped an becomes pregnant she should go through with the pregnancy then give the baby up for adoption
pwner
Nice one rs folk

:edited:
Phobia
Would you rather be dead without knowing it or have an extremely sucky life?
Vipey
QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 11 2006, 11:28 PM) *

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.


Agreed.

~Viper teh Snip0r~
Rs_folk_G's_up
Some children being adopted have great lives.
Phobia
Teens aren't smart enough for that. They think they can take on the responsibility of taking care of a child, where in reality they can't.
Matt
A women who was raped should be forced to carry the child? Are you mad?.. So let me get this straight, not only does the women have to deal with everything that comes with being raped, phycologicialy and physicially, they also have to be pregnant with their assaliants child the whole time their trying too recover. Dispite what you may think about raped women recovering, its a agonizingly slow thing to get over, the idea of having to carry and give birth to the child that was created by such a thing isn't something that most people could handle.
Sure, some women who've been raped and impregnated have given birth and even raised the baby as their own, but those cases are few and very unusual. Normally, having that child to raise would be a constant reminder of what happened.

No, quite frankly in the case of rape abortion has to be a possiblity. Question.. is the morning after pill consitered abortion?

Now, if it was casual/consented sex that led to the pregnancy, then I don't think it should be allowed, simply because it was a choice that was made. I've known more then my share of stupid highschool girls who used abortion as birth control.. it sickens me.
pwner
yes taking away the baby sickens me to your not alone...



^^

before i changed my mind

*also goes for my other posts!*
Alk
QUOTE

i am personnaly against this because she made the baby and brought it to this world and why should we take this bundle of joy away..? i say let them live bring them to this world of ours let them enjoy there selfs =) *what i am going to say is offtopic.gif * i was born with asthma and almost died my mother and father said i had a small chance of living....and now thanks for them not aborting me.. im alive better then i will ever be typing this up!


I support the right of a mother aborting her own child, it's her choice, after all it IS 'her' child, she can do WHATEVER she wants with it.

Another thing to consider, ever hear those things on the various channels who are extremely poor, can't really afford good living conditions, and were pregnant and couldn't handle the extra being in their living conditions which only left them one single option? Abortion.

So as I say again, they have the right, but I agree that the ways of getting rid of the fetus sounds disgusting +o(


QUOTE

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.


^ Lolar eep.gif
slayeroftime
The status of the embryo in the first trimester is the basic issue that cannot be sidestepped. The embryo is clearly pre-human; only the mystical notions of religious dogma treat this clump of cells as constituting a person.

We must not confuse potentiality with actuality. An embryo is a potential human being. It can, granted the woman's choice, develop into an infant. But what it actually is during the first trimester is a mass of relatively undifferentiated cells that exist as a part of a woman's body. If we consider what it is rather than what it might become, we must acknowledge that the embryo under three months is something far more primitive than a frog or a fish. To compare it to an infant is ludicrous.

If we are to accept the equation of the potential with the actual and call the embryo an "unborn child," we could, with equal logic, call any adult an "undead corpse" and bury him alive or vivisect him for the instruction of medical students.

That tiny growth, that mass of protoplasm, exists as a part of a woman's body. It is not an independently existing, biologically formed organism, let alone a person. That which lives within the body of another can claim no right against its host. Rights belong only to individuals, not to collectives or to parts of an individual.

"Rights," in Ayn Rand's words, "do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born."

It is only on this base that we can support the woman's political right to do what she chooses in this issue. No other person--not even her husband--has the right to dictate what she may do with her own body. That is a fundamental principle of freedom.

There are many legitimate reasons why a rational woman might have an abortion--accidental pregnancy, rape, birth defects, danger to her health. The issue here is the proper role for government. If a pregnant woman acts wantonly or capriciously, then she should be condemned morally--but not treated as a murderer.

If someone capriciously puts to death his cat or dog, that can well be reprehensible, even immoral, but it is not the province of the state to interfere. The same is true of an abortion which puts to death a far less-developed growth in a woman's body.

If anti-abortionists object that an embryo has the genetic equipment of a human being, remember: so does every cell in the human body.

Abortions are private affairs and often involve painfully difficult decisions with life-long consequences. But, tragically, the lives of the parents are completely ignored by the anti-abortionists. Yet that is the essential issue. In any conflict it's the actual, living persons who count, not the mere potential of the embryo.

Being a parent is a profound responsibility--financial, psychological, moral--across decades. Raising a child demands time, effort, thought and money. It's a full-time job for the first three years, consuming thousands of hours after that--as caretaker, supervisor, educator and mentor. To a woman who does not want it, this is a death sentence.

The anti-abortionists' attitude, however, is: "The actual life of the parents be damned! Give up your life, liberty, property and the pursuit of your own happiness."

Sentencing a woman to sacrifice her life to an embryo is not upholding the "right-to-life."

Source: http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2404
Plant
QUOTE(slayeroftime @ Nov 12 2006, 08:06 AM) *

The status of the embryo in the first trimester is the basic issue that cannot be sidestepped. The embryo is clearly pre-human; only the mystical notions of religious dogma treat this clump of cells as constituting a person.

We must not confuse potentiality with actuality. An embryo is a potential human being. It can, granted the woman's choice, develop into an infant. But what it actually is during the first trimester is a mass of relatively undifferentiated cells that exist as a part of a woman's body. If we consider what it is rather than what it might become, we must acknowledge that the embryo under three months is something far more primitive than a frog or a fish. To compare it to an infant is ludicrous.

If we are to accept the equation of the potential with the actual and call the embryo an "unborn child," we could, with equal logic, call any adult an "undead corpse" and bury him alive or vivisect him for the instruction of medical students.

That tiny growth, that mass of protoplasm, exists as a part of a woman's body. It is not an independently existing, biologically formed organism, let alone a person. That which lives within the body of another can claim no right against its host. Rights belong only to individuals, not to collectives or to parts of an individual.

"Rights," in Ayn Rand's words, "do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born."

It is only on this base that we can support the woman's political right to do what she chooses in this issue. No other person--not even her husband--has the right to dictate what she may do with her own body. That is a fundamental principle of freedom.

There are many legitimate reasons why a rational woman might have an abortion--accidental pregnancy, rape, birth defects, danger to her health. The issue here is the proper role for government. If a pregnant woman acts wantonly or capriciously, then she should be condemned morally--but not treated as a murderer.

If someone capriciously puts to death his cat or dog, that can well be reprehensible, even immoral, but it is not the province of the state to interfere. The same is true of an abortion which puts to death a far less-developed growth in a woman's body.

If anti-abortionists object that an embryo has the genetic equipment of a human being, remember: so does every cell in the human body.

Abortions are private affairs and often involve painfully difficult decisions with life-long consequences. But, tragically, the lives of the parents are completely ignored by the anti-abortionists. Yet that is the essential issue. In any conflict it's the actual, living persons who count, not the mere potential of the embryo.

Being a parent is a profound responsibility--financial, psychological, moral--across decades. Raising a child demands time, effort, thought and money. It's a full-time job for the first three years, consuming thousands of hours after that--as caretaker, supervisor, educator and mentor. To a woman who does not want it, this is a death sentence.

The anti-abortionists' attitude, however, is: "The actual life of the parents be damned! Give up your life, liberty, property and the pursuit of your own happiness."

Sentencing a woman to sacrifice her life to an embryo is not upholding the "right-to-life."

Source: http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2404


I can't really add anything to that other than, my thoughts exactly.
Kevinboos
No, not at all. Abortion is just a case of trust, and no point of it.


Most of the people who have an abortion use it because they don't want to have any babies.

I don't see why they need abortion...

Abortion=killing BTW.


Also, abortion ruins the chance at life for most.

QUOTE(Alk007 @ Nov 12 2006, 01:36 AM) *

QUOTE

i am personnaly against this because she made the baby and brought it to this world and why should we take this bundle of joy away..? i say let them live bring them to this world of ours let them enjoy there selfs =) *what i am going to say is offtopic.gif * i was born with asthma and almost died my mother and father said i had a small chance of living....and now thanks for them not aborting me.. im alive better then i will ever be typing this up!


I support the right of a mother aborting her own child, it's her choice, after all it IS 'her' child, she can do WHATEVER she wants with it.

Another thing to consider, ever hear those things on the various channels who are extremely poor, can't really afford good living conditions, and were pregnant and couldn't handle the extra being in their living conditions which only left them one single option? Abortion.

So as I say again, they have the right, but I agree that the ways of getting rid of the fetus sounds disgusting +o(


But it dosen't give any choice to the fetus. After all, if someone wanted you to die, would you want that?


QUOTE

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.


^ Lolar eep.gif


If someone got rape, they can give the baby to an adoption agency. Unfortunately, the pregnent teenager are over cumbered by stupidity and wrong-doing so they choose the path of death.

Besides, most of them regret abortions.
Nick
QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 04:28 PM) *

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.



exactly, I don't think anyone wants to care for a child from a rape.....

so i'll vote maybe
Kevinboos
QUOTE(nick8071992 @ Nov 12 2006, 02:07 PM) *

QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 04:28 PM) *

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.



exactly, I don't think anyone wants to care for a child from a rape.....

so i'll vote maybe



It's called adoption agencies for a reason there.
metroidroxs2
What if Einstein was aborted? What if George Washington had been aborted? What if your mom was aborted? What if Abraham Lincoln was aborted?
Kevinboos
QUOTE(metroidroxs2 @ Nov 12 2006, 02:13 PM) *

What if Einstein was aborted? What if George Washington had been aborted? What if your mom was aborted? What if Abraham Lincoln was aborted?



Exactly like me.


Although people didn't have the logic to even think about abortion when Washington was alive.
pwner
edit:changed avatar
Kevinboos
It dosen't matter. There was never a 100% chance that you'd die if you didn't abort. Heck, not 90% either.
Catchowmein
QUOTE(nick8071992 @ Nov 12 2006, 07:07 PM) *

QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 04:28 PM) *

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.



exactly, I don't think anyone wants to care for a child from a rape.....

so i'll vote maybe


What about Incest then, would you want a child who's Dad is also his Uncle?

I think it is the Mother's womb, nobody else's, therefore they can do what they want.

Stay out of their life, it is their choice, and if they choose abortion and then regret it, they will learn from their mistake.
Kevinboos
QUOTE(Catchowmein @ Nov 12 2006, 03:57 PM) *

QUOTE(nick8071992 @ Nov 12 2006, 07:07 PM) *

QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 04:28 PM) *

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.



exactly, I don't think anyone wants to care for a child from a rape.....

so i'll vote maybe


What about Incest then, would you want a child who's Dad is also his Uncle?

I think it is the Mother's womb, nobody else's, therefore they can do what they want.

Stay out of their life, it is their choice, and if they choose abortion and then regret it, they will learn from their mistake.



What if they don't regret it? You want people to regret stuff? If abortion was illegal, then they wouldn't abort, and nothing would be regretted.
Cmafai
i dont know enough about it to make an educated arguement, so I'll just pose a follow up question.

Should Men Have Abortions. Topic coming to a forum near you.
Kalzilla
QUOTE(kevinboos @ Nov 13 2006, 09:05 AM) *
QUOTE(Catchowmein @ Nov 12 2006, 03:57 PM) *

QUOTE(nick8071992 @ Nov 12 2006, 07:07 PM) *

QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 04:28 PM) *

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.



exactly, I don't think anyone wants to care for a child from a rape.....

so i'll vote maybe


What about Incest then, would you want a child who's Dad is also his Uncle?

I think it is the Mother's womb, nobody else's, therefore they can do what they want.

Stay out of their life, it is their choice, and if they choose abortion and then regret it, they will learn from their mistake.



What if they don't regret it? You want people to regret stuff? If abortion was illegal, then they wouldn't abort, and nothing would be regretted.


But then they'd have to live with a child they didn't want/couldn't support, which could lead to parents abusing their children.
Banim
I haven't read the thread, sorry, I feel very strongly about this subject and want to get this off my chest as soon as possible.

My aunt died when she was having her second baby. She already had a son, and the doctors told her that if she were to get pregnant again and have another son or daughter, she would probably die. She ended up getting pregnant again. She didn't abort, and after 9 months... Both her and the baby died. A son without mother, a mother without daughter and a nephew who didn't get to know his aunt were some things she left in the world.

I don't know the problems she had that were a threat to her life, and maybe abortion would have killed her aswell as the baby anyway, but if it didn't? If it was the only way to survive? My aunt could have saved her life. My cousin would have his mother with him today. My grandmother would have her daughter with her today. I would have my aunt with me today.

Think about it.

However, I'm against abortion when it's a matter of saying "I just don't want the baby", but still, it's the mother's decision.
arrowslayer
QUOTE(slayeroftime @ Nov 12 2006, 08:06 PM) *

The status of the embryo in the first trimester is the basic issue that cannot be sidestepped. The embryo is clearly pre-human; only the mystical notions of religious dogma treat this clump of cells as constituting a person.

We must not confuse potentiality with actuality. An embryo is a potential human being. It can, granted the woman's choice, develop into an infant. But what it actually is during the first trimester is a mass of relatively undifferentiated cells that exist as a part of a woman's body. If we consider what it is rather than what it might become, we must acknowledge that the embryo under three months is something far more primitive than a frog or a fish. To compare it to an infant is ludicrous.

If we are to accept the equation of the potential with the actual and call the embryo an "unborn child," we could, with equal logic, call any adult an "undead corpse" and bury him alive or vivisect him for the instruction of medical students.

That tiny growth, that mass of protoplasm, exists as a part of a woman's body. It is not an independently existing, biologically formed organism, let alone a person. That which lives within the body of another can claim no right against its host. Rights belong only to individuals, not to collectives or to parts of an individual.

"Rights," in Ayn Rand's words, "do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born."

It is only on this base that we can support the woman's political right to do what she chooses in this issue. No other person--not even her husband--has the right to dictate what she may do with her own body. That is a fundamental principle of freedom.

There are many legitimate reasons why a rational woman might have an abortion--accidental pregnancy, rape, birth defects, danger to her health. The issue here is the proper role for government. If a pregnant woman acts wantonly or capriciously, then she should be condemned morally--but not treated as a murderer.

If someone capriciously puts to death his cat or dog, that can well be reprehensible, even immoral, but it is not the province of the state to interfere. The same is true of an abortion which puts to death a far less-developed growth in a woman's body.

If anti-abortionists object that an embryo has the genetic equipment of a human being, remember: so does every cell in the human body.

Abortions are private affairs and often involve painfully difficult decisions with life-long consequences. But, tragically, the lives of the parents are completely ignored by the anti-abortionists. Yet that is the essential issue. In any conflict it's the actual, living persons who count, not the mere potential of the embryo.

Being a parent is a profound responsibility--financial, psychological, moral--across decades. Raising a child demands time, effort, thought and money. It's a full-time job for the first three years, consuming thousands of hours after that--as caretaker, supervisor, educator and mentor. To a woman who does not want it, this is a death sentence.

The anti-abortionists' attitude, however, is: "The actual life of the parents be damned! Give up your life, liberty, property and the pursuit of your own happiness."

Sentencing a woman to sacrifice her life to an embryo is not upholding the "right-to-life."

Source: http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2404


That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.
rampage
if wemon r going to open thier legs , they should stand up with those legs and face the concequenceses. Although if they get raped or something , thats a whole differant story. Also , thier r other ways instead of abortions , they could maybe put the baby up for adoption? Or , if thier was a chance that the birth would harm either the mother or baby i could understand. but for the question , yes , depending on the cercomstances. But hey , im not a doctor.
pwner
im sticking
with no!
rampage
dude , what if a girl got raped and got pregnant , dont you think she has the right to get rid of the baby.
Kevinboos
QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 04:14 PM) *

QUOTE(kevinboos @ Nov 13 2006, 09:05 AM) *
QUOTE(Catchowmein @ Nov 12 2006, 03:57 PM) *

QUOTE(nick8071992 @ Nov 12 2006, 07:07 PM) *

QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 04:28 PM) *

Only in cases of Rape and Incest. Can't let teenagers use this as a method of birth control.



exactly, I don't think anyone wants to care for a child from a rape.....

so i'll vote maybe


What about Incest then, would you want a child who's Dad is also his Uncle?

I think it is the Mother's womb, nobody else's, therefore they can do what they want.

Stay out of their life, it is their choice, and if they choose abortion and then regret it, they will learn from their mistake.



What if they don't regret it? You want people to regret stuff? If abortion was illegal, then they wouldn't abort, and nothing would be regretted.


But then they'd have to live with a child they didn't want/couldn't support, which could lead to parents abusing their children.



If they couldn't support it, they could give it away for adoption.
pwner
QUOTE(rampage @ Nov 12 2006, 04:02 PM) *

dude , what if a girl got raped and got pregnant , dont you think she has the right to get rid of the baby.



OMG DUDE! its best to let the baby be born.....think of it what if you were aborted!!! or zezima!!!!or andrew!! or me!!! bluemellow.gif
Kevinboos
QUOTE(Banim @ Nov 12 2006, 04:20 PM) *

I haven't read the thread, sorry, I feel very strongly about this subject and want to get this off my chest as soon as possible.

My aunt died when she was having her second baby. She already had a son, and the doctors told her that if she were to get pregnant again and have another son or daughter, she would probably die. She ended up getting pregnant again. She didn't abort, and after 9 months... Both her and the baby died. A son without mother, a mother without daughter and a nephew who didn't get to know his aunt were some things she left in the world.

I don't know the problems she had that were a threat to her life, and maybe abortion would have killed her aswell as the baby anyway, but if it didn't? If it was the only way to survive? My aunt could have saved her life. My cousin would have his mother with him today. My grandmother would have her daughter with her today. I would have my aunt with me today.

Think about it.

However, I'm against abortion when it's a matter of saying "I just don't want the baby", but still, it's the mother's decision.


Why would your aunt try to get pregnent again? Why would she have sexual intercourse if it risks her of becoming pregnent? Even though her doctor told her not to, she did. That was her punishment.

Sorry if that hurts you. I'm not trying to. I'm just trying to defend my opinion. wink.gif


QUOTE(rampage @ Nov 12 2006, 05:02 PM) *

dude , what if a girl got raped and got pregnant , dont you think she has the right to get rid of the baby.



She can, by giving it up to adoption
Matt
FFS.

Im annoyed at this thread, so I'll spare you all the long ranty post.

Unless you've known someone who's been raped, don't say anything about women who are raped just being able to give the child up for adoption. Think about what that would do emotionialy to her, in my friends case, it would have destroyed her emotionially.
Adoption is a good alternitive if the women is actually capable of carrying the baby, in most cases its not. Do you have any idea what happens physicially when someone's raped, its not pretty at all. The amounts of scarring inside her, and if its bad enough.. Well Due to the age's of people at the crypt, im not giving examples. Look up what happens medicially when your raped, and look up what happens emotionially. Understand these things before you talk about it, because quite frankly the idea of anyone who's been raped being forced to carry the child is obscene.

-Matt
-breathes-...
usmc110
No! Absolutley not, even if it is a teen.. at least put it up for adoption
Kevinboos
QUOTE(Spartan @ Nov 12 2006, 06:04 PM) *

FFS.

Im annoyed at this thread, so I'll spare you all the long ranty post.

Unless you've known someone who's been raped, don't say anything about women who are raped just being able to give the child up for adoption. Think about what that would do emotionialy to her, in my friends case, it would have destroyed her emotionially.
Adoption is a good alternitive if the women is actually capable of carrying the baby, in most cases its not. Do you have any idea what happens physicially when someone's raped, its not pretty at all. The amounts of scarring inside her, and if its bad enough.. Well Due to the age's of people at the crypt, im not giving examples. Look up what happens medicially when your raped, and look up what happens emotionially. Understand these things before you talk about it, because quite frankly the idea of anyone who's been raped being forced to carry the child is obscene.

-Matt
-breathes-...



You know the damage done to the women when they get abortion? Imagine, the tools, the vacuum(Which gets rids of alot of the eggs), and the emotional pain of that poor, innocent child being tortured to death.

And abortion just hurts it more.

Also, how can keeping the baby hurt somebody? I mean, sure if you keep him there, it will hurt, but how would it hurt keeping it there?


Besides, would you rather have friends? Or family? Family would be for you no matter what.
Kalzilla
QUOTE(kevinboos @ Nov 13 2006, 11:17 AM) *
QUOTE(Spartan @ Nov 12 2006, 06:04 PM) *

FFS.

Im annoyed at this thread, so I'll spare you all the long ranty post.

Unless you've known someone who's been raped, don't say anything about women who are raped just being able to give the child up for adoption. Think about what that would do emotionialy to her, in my friends case, it would have destroyed her emotionially.
Adoption is a good alternitive if the women is actually capable of carrying the baby, in most cases its not. Do you have any idea what happens physicially when someone's raped, its not pretty at all. The amounts of scarring inside her, and if its bad enough.. Well Due to the age's of people at the crypt, im not giving examples. Look up what happens medicially when your raped, and look up what happens emotionially. Understand these things before you talk about it, because quite frankly the idea of anyone who's been raped being forced to carry the child is obscene.

-Matt
-breathes-...



You know the damage done to the women when they get abortion? Imagine, the tools, the vacuum(Which gets rids of alot of the eggs), and the emotional pain of that poor, innocent child being tortured to death.

And abortion just hurts it more.

Also, how can keeping the baby hurt somebody? I mean, sure if you keep him there, it will hurt, but how would it hurt keeping it there?


Besides, would you rather have friends? Or family? Family would be for you no matter what.


The baby is just a growth inside the woman's body, not yet a living thing with feelings and emotions.

It hurts to know you're raising a product of something so evil.
Dinty
QUOTE(kevinboos @ Nov 12 2006, 11:17 PM) *

You know the damage done to the women when they get abortion? Imagine, the tools, the vacuum(Which gets rids of alot of the eggs), and the emotional pain of that poor, innocent child being tortured to death.

a mass of cells cannot have emotional pain.

You have no idea what it does to a woman to go through something like that. Thank god, neither do I. I can't even imagine. So please don't act like you KNOW it wouldn't affect her to carry the child of someone who tortured her and stole something in the most humiliating, disgusting, painful, violent, cruel way. You have no idea.

I don't like the idea of abortions. I'm all for carrying the child and putting it up for adoption. There are so many childless families out there just dreaming and waiting for a baby to take care of and love.

But that's the way I feel. I would never drean of making that decision for another woman. I dont know what she's going through, what her feelings are, or what is right for her. That is no one's decision but hers and the fathers (unless she was raped of course) Its something the couple would need to think long and hard about, and shouldn't be judged for their decision.
Kevinboos
QUOTE(Kalzilla @ Nov 12 2006, 06:24 PM) *

QUOTE(kevinboos @ Nov 13 2006, 11:17 AM) *
QUOTE(Spartan @ Nov 12 2006, 06:04 PM) *

FFS.

Im annoyed at this thread, so I'll spare you all the long ranty post.

Unless you've known someone who's been raped, don't say anything about women who are raped just being able to give the child up for adoption. Think about what that would do emotionialy to her, in my friends case, it would have destroyed her emotionially.
Adoption is a good alternitive if the women is actually capable of carrying the baby, in most cases its not. Do you have any idea what happens physicially when someone's raped, its not pretty at all. The amounts of scarring inside her, and if its bad enough.. Well Due to the age's of people at the crypt, im not giving examples. Look up what happens medicially when your raped, and look up what happens emotionially. Understand these things before you talk about it, because quite frankly the idea of anyone who's been raped being forced to carry the child is obscene.

-Matt
-breathes-...



You know the damage done to the women when they get abortion? Imagine, the tools, the vacuum(Which gets rids of alot of the eggs), and the emotional pain of that poor, innocent child being tortured to death.

And abortion just hurts it more.

Also, how can keeping the baby hurt somebody? I mean, sure if you keep him there, it will hurt, but how would it hurt keeping it there?


Besides, would you rather have friends? Or family? Family would be for you no matter what.


The baby is just a growth inside the woman's body, not yet a living thing with feelings and emotions.

It hurts to know you're raising a product of something so evil.



Technically, it is a human, because it can feel pain, and has organs.

And how can a fetus be evil? It never did anything, it's innocent of any wrong-being.
usmc110
Dinty's exactally right
Kevinboos
QUOTE(Dinty @ Nov 12 2006, 06:30 PM) *

QUOTE(kevinboos @ Nov 12 2006, 11:17 PM) *

You know the damage done to the women when they get abortion? Imagine, the tools, the vacuum(Which gets rids of alot of the eggs), and the emotional pain of that poor, innocent child being tortured to death.

a mass of cells cannot have emotional pain.

You have no idea what it does to a woman to go through something like that. Thank god, neither do I. I can't even imagine. So please don't act like you KNOW it wouldn't affect her to carry the child of someone who tortured her and stole something in the most humiliating, disgusting, painful, violent, cruel way. You have no idea.

I don't like the idea of abortions. I'm all for carrying the child and putting it up for adoption. There are so many childless families out there just dreaming and waiting for a baby to take care of and love.

But that's the way I feel. I would never drean of making that decision for another woman. I dont know what she's going through, what her feelings are, or what is right for her. That is no one's decision but hers and the fathers (unless she was raped of course) Its something the couple would need to think long and hard about, and shouldn't be judged for their decision.



Actually it can. For example, seeing something that's about to kill you is hard emtional pain, including the tools used to kill the fetus.

Just because someone did something to you dosen't mean the fetus did any wrong being.


The idea of abortion is very grueling, just like being raped most likely, because you're letting somebody kill something that's practically a part of you, and that could perform a miracle, like maybe find a cure for a disease hopefully.

God made things for a good reason. It would just kill to get rid of that dream.
Kalzilla
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QUOTE(Spartan @ Nov 12 2006, 06:04 PM) *

FFS.

Im annoyed at this thread, so I'll spare you all the long ranty post.

Unless you've known someone who's been raped, don't say anything about women who are raped just being able to give the child up for adoption. Think about what that would do emotionialy to her, in my friends case, it would have destroyed her emotionially.
Adoption is a good alternitive if the women is actually capable of carrying the baby, in most cases its not. Do you have any idea what happens physicially when someone's raped, its not pretty at all. The amounts of scarring inside her, and if its bad enough.. Well Due to the age's of people at the crypt, im not giving examples. Look up what happens medicially when your raped, and look up what happens emotionially. Understand these things before you talk about it, because quite frankly the idea of anyone who's been raped being forced to carry the child is obscene.

-Matt
-breathes-...



You know the damage done to the women when they get abortion? Imagine, the tools, the vacuum(Which gets rids of alot of the eggs), and the emotional pain of that poor, innocent child being tortured to death.

And abortion just hurts it more.

Also, how can keeping the baby hurt somebody? I mean, sure if you keep him there, it will hurt, but how would it hurt keeping it there?


Besides, would you rather have friends? Or family? Family would be for you no matter what.


The baby is just a growth inside the woman's body, not yet a living thing with feelings and emotions.

It hurts to know you're raising a product of something so evil.



Technically, it is a human, because it can feel pain, and has organs.

And how can a fetus be evil? It never did anything, it's innocent of any wrong-being.


It's not yet human, just a growth. It's not a human until the Third(?) trimester.

I didn't say the fetus was evil, I said it was a product of something evil.

QUOTE(kevinboos)
Actually it can. For example, seeing something that's about to kill you is hard emtional pain, including the tools used to kill the fetus.

Just because someone did something to you dosen't mean the fetus did any wrong being.


The idea of abortion is very grueling, just like being raped most likely, because you're letting somebody kill something that's practically a part of you, and that could perform a miracle, like maybe find a cure for a disease hopefully.

God made things for a good reason. It would just kill to get rid of that dream.


Fetus' cannot see things, they cannot feel pain either. They're nothing more than a tumor.

And I assume you do not know what being raped is like.


Ice Mange 22
my god you ppl who think ppl should get abortions are horrible think about it sometimes the greastest things in life are kids even if your teens if you cant take care of them put them off for adoption there are millions of couples that cant have babies and would love to have one in there life personaly you ppl that think there should be aborsions are souless morons that dont care if you kill a new life!



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Fetus' cannot see things, they cannot feel pain either. They're nothing more than a tumor.

And I assume you do not know what being raped is like.



ummm yea they can fell it and also think about all the physcal,mental and what if pain the girls gotta go thorough thank god i dont have to go throught those things
Dinty
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my god you ppl who think ppl should get abortions are horrible think about it sometimes the greastest things in life are kids even if your teens if you cant take care of them put them off for adoption there are millions of couples that cant have babies and would love to have one in there life personaly you ppl that think there should be aborsions are souless morons that dont care if you kill a new life!

No one is saying WOOO LETS ALL GET ABORTIONS ITS SO FUN!!!!
they're just saying that it's the woman's choice, not ours. So no, no one here is a souless moron, and I believe all respect a new life. But in the early stages of pregnancy it's not a human being. It has the potential to become one. But so do all of my eggs as well. So, If i practice birth control am I destroying new life? Because maybe just maaaaybe one of those eggs could have been fertilized which would form a lump of cells that could someday turn into a baby. I mean where do you draw the line.
Matt
Okay, wow wtf.

Firstly, you have no idea how they abort a child after rape. Its done within the first trimester, which means the baby has no organs, no nerves, no brain, no nothing. Its actually the same cell reproduced X amount of times without developing into any specialized job.

Hurt more? I know someone who was raped over 3 years ago, who still has to take pain killers everytime she has a period because otherwise, the pain would imobilize her. Who has so much scaring that her period only last 2-3 days, during which time that pain doesn't stop. I'm not going to get into the specifics, because frankly its not my place to say anything about it.

Aborting a clump of un-developed cells VS perminantly damaging a womens lower body. Hard choice eh? You realise it can take over a year for the amount of internial scarring that results from a bad rape to heal? You realise that giving birth, and having contractions ect before thats healed will almost deffently result in perminant damage. I know someone who phycially cant have intercourse without it hurting, because of internal scarring that won't allow her to phycially get used to having something inside like that.

Before posting, try to understand what your actually saying. Dinty is 100% correct, and frankly if i ever saw someone harrasing a girl for aborting a child which resulted from a rape, i'd intervien in a none-too-pleasent manner.
Alk
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God made things for a good reason. It would just kill to get rid of that dream.


Wow, you're in due for a wake up call.

If you believe in god, and you believe with all your might in him, then you should also know what "God's Plan" is, which you believe in.

Take this quote as an example


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Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!
[Psalm 139:16]


Under that law, God plans EVERY SINGLE THING that'll ever happen, when you die, how you'll die, how the universe ends, God basically has a purpose for EVERYTHING that happens, even what you think.

Now this is under Christianity laws, Christians fighting abortion, are actually clueless blocking them from their own beliefs, since god plans EVERYTHING, it means EVERYTHING, INCLUDING abortions, God WANTS them to die, God WANTS abortions to happen. So in a Christians case, it's actually good since god "Had a plan for it"

Start to see something now?
Ice Mange 22
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No one is saying WOOO LETS ALL GET ABORTIONS ITS SO FUN!!!!
they're just saying that it's the woman's choice, not ours. So no, no one here is a souless moron, and I believe all respect a new life. But in the early stages of pregnancy it's not a human being. It has the potential to become one. But so do all of my eggs as well. So, If i practice birth control am I destroying new life? Because maybe just maaaaybe one of those eggs could have been fertilized which would form a lump of cells that could someday turn into a baby. I mean where do you draw the line.



well see thats different dinity by doing that your sure that you wont have a baby but if someone did this and didnt want a baby why not use protection see ill tell you when it could of happened but in fact it DIDNT its the fact if they did they have to make this choice in the beganing the point is im guessing use protection if you dont want kids or somethin bluemellow.gif
Banim
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QUOTE(Banim @ Nov 12 2006, 04:20 PM) *

I haven't read the thread, sorry, I feel very strongly about this subject and want to get this off my chest as soon as possible.

My aunt died when she was having her second baby. She already had a son, and the doctors told her that if she were to get pregnant again and have another son or daughter, she would probably die. She ended up getting pregnant again. She didn't abort, and after 9 months... Both her and the baby died. A son without mother, a mother without daughter and a nephew who didn't get to know his aunt were some things she left in the world.

I don't know the problems she had that were a threat to her life, and maybe abortion would have killed her aswell as the baby anyway, but if it didn't? If it was the only way to survive? My aunt could have saved her life. My cousin would have his mother with him today. My grandmother would have her daughter with her today. I would have my aunt with me today.

Think about it.

However, I'm against abortion when it's a matter of saying "I just don't want the baby", but still, it's the mother's decision.


Why would your aunt try to get pregnent again? Why would she have sexual intercourse if it risks her of becoming pregnent? Even though her doctor told her not to, she did. That was her punishment.

Sorry if that hurts you. I'm not trying to. I'm just trying to defend my opinion. wink.gif


Thank you for being so heartless.
Basically you are saying that my aunt deserved to die.

How do you know she did intend to get pregnant again? How do you know if she was raped or not? How do you know if she practised safe sex and even with that, she got pregnant? The answer, you don't know.

I hope you don't find your mother or any other person you love in that situation. If you did and the only way for that person to survive was abortion, I DOUBT you would let her die.

And sorry, it did hurt a little.
Kevinboos
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QUOTE(kevinboos @ Nov 12 2006, 11:29 PM) *

QUOTE(Banim @ Nov 12 2006, 04:20 PM) *

I haven't read the thread, sorry, I feel very strongly about this subject and want to get this off my chest as soon as possible.

My aunt died when she was having her second baby. She already had a son, and the doctors told her that if she were to get pregnant again and have another son or daughter, she would probably die. She ended up getting pregnant again. She didn't abort, and after 9 months... Both her and the baby died. A son without mother, a mother without daughter and a nephew who didn't get to know his aunt were some things she left in the world.

I don't know the problems she had that were a threat to her life, and maybe abortion would have killed her aswell as the baby anyway, but if it didn't? If it was the only way to survive? My aunt could have saved her life. My cousin would have his mother with him today. My grandmother would have her daughter with her today. I would have my aunt with me today.

Think about it.

However, I'm against abortion when it's a matter of saying "I just don't want the baby", but still, it's the mother's decision.


Why would your aunt try to get pregnent again? Why would she have sexual intercourse if it risks her of becoming pregnent? Even though her doctor told her not to, she did. That was her punishment.

Sorry if that hurts you. I'm not trying to. I'm just trying to defend my opinion. wink.gif


Thank you for being so heartless.
Basically you are saying that my aunt deserved to die.

How do you know she did intend to get pregnant again? How do you know if she was raped or not? How do you know if she practised safe sex and even with that, she got pregnant? The answer, you don't know.



I'm not being "heartless", and by the way, how do I know if she got raped? Do you know if she got raped?

What I was saying is, if she got raped, then it's not her fault.

If she had safe sex, even though it's not of right doing, again she did not mean to get pregnent.

If she tried to get pregnent, then she either wanted to have a baby, or have death. (oh dear)

When she kept the baby, it was probally because she hated abortion, or wanted a second child.


The thing I said, it makes me feel hurt more than it hurts you. Trust me, I feel like balling my eyes out right now. Seriously. I hate saying things that make people feel at hard stress.

I'm sorry for what I said. I'm just trying to say that I do not support abortion, not make people get very emotional.
Dinty
QUOTE(Ice Mange 12 @ Nov 12 2006, 11:56 PM) *

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No one is saying WOOO LETS ALL GET ABORTIONS ITS SO FUN!!!!
they're just saying that it's the woman's choice, not ours. So no, no one here is a souless moron, and I believe all respect a new life. But in the early stages of pregnancy it's not a human being. It has the potential to become one. But so do all of my eggs as well. So, If i practice birth control am I destroying new life? Because maybe just maaaaybe one of those eggs could have been fertilized which would form a lump of cells that could someday turn into a baby. I mean where do you draw the line.



well see thats different dinity by doing that your sure that you wont have a baby but if someone did this and didnt want a baby why not use protection see ill tell you when it could of happened but in fact it DIDNT its the fact if they did they have to make this choice in the beganing the point is im guessing use protection if you dont want kids or somethin bluemellow.gif

No form of protection is 100%. Other than abstinance.
And I doubt rapists bother to use condoms.
No one is perfect, and therefore they make mistakes. Who are we to judge.
Kevinboos
QUOTE(Spartan @ Nov 12 2006, 06:53 PM) *

Okay, wow wtf.

Firstly, you have no idea how they abort a child after rape. Its done within the first trimester, which means the baby has no organs, no nerves, no brain, no nothing. Its actually the same cell reproduced X amount of times without developing into any specialized job.

Hurt more? I know someone who was raped over 3 years ago, who still has to take pain killers everytime she has a period because otherwise, the pain would imobilize her. Who has so much scaring that her period only last 2-3 days, during which time that pain doesn't stop. I'm not going to get into the specifics, because frankly its not my place to say anything about it.

Aborting a clump of un-developed cells VS perminantly damaging a womens lower body. Hard choice eh? You realise it can take over a year for the amount of internial scarring that results from a bad rape to heal? You realise that giving birth, and having contractions ect before thats healed will almost deffently result in perminant damage. I know someone who phycially cant have intercourse without it hurting, because of internal scarring that won't allow her to phycially get used to having something inside like that.

Before posting, try to understand what your actually saying. Dinty is 100% correct, and frankly if i ever saw someone harrasing a girl for aborting a child which resulted from a rape, i'd intervien in a none-too-pleasent manner.



Firstly, I do know what they do. You ever hear about pro-life classes?

2nd, yes, it can hurt the aborter, physically and emotionally. Trust me. I saw papers, and actual interviews of woman who had an abortion. You ever see the faces of those people? The pain they feel?

3rd, it's not a "clump of un-developed cells", it's a human who has rights...or should have rights to something, but you never see a fetus tell it's story.


Or maybe something DID tell her something? What is it? Her consience. There's of course, a good side and a bad side.


What do you think is better? Destroying or bringing to life?
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