I think people should have the right to pick and choose who to be with. If it makes them happy..HEY lets leave them alone..But nooo they wont, it is a bit rare to find a place to have gay/lesbian marrage. I myself wish they had places for gay/lesbian marrage almost everywhere. Oh btw *I know it is wrong to have marrage in a chapel*

and YES i know "M+M=?" and "F+F=MF?"

~pwner~

i say yes cuz them getting married doesn't effect us

yes i agree too but not in the church

Here's your old topic if anyone wants to read from it.

http://www.runecrypt.com/forum/index.php?s...=38405&st=0

We can't change the way people feel, I don't mind if Gays get hitched

I voted no, but I'm not actually against them, I just don't like the actual decision they made.

I voted yes of course, marrige is alright.. although i do think that churches would have the right to decide if they will accept gay/lesbian's for marrige. This is simply because gay/lesbian marrige is against the foundation of some religions.. so its impossible to think that it would be accepted in all of them.

Myself, I'm not much of a religious person at all.. but i still understand the motives of those people that are.

Not my decision if a homosexual wants to get married or not. If they do want to get married, then they shouldn't really have it in a church since it's against the Bible and the church's standards. I myself am against homosexuality, that's just how I am. I mean, I like the people themselves, not the choice they have chosen. I know some homosexuals who are nice and all, the only thing I don't like is their decision on whom to love, just my opinions. It's is their right to love who they want to love, so just as long as it doesn't really bother me, then I'm fine.

All I can say is, if you're going to be gay or lesbian, don't be overly so in public. We do have bedrooms for a reason..

For the Love of Pete (and all his majesty) please not in a church. That is wrong in so many ways, to be frank. Hell, I don't care if they get married, just not in a church, that is to far. Also I dislike them expressing there love (not necassarily sex) in public, that even is almost a bit awkward with heterosexuality.

marriage is and should only be between a man and woman..

1."It's Not Natural"
In a study done in 2000, the brother of a homosexual twin has an 80% probability to be gay himself. 1

Also, the "It's Not Natural" arguement fails to that study, because people and animals can be born naturally gay. Therefore, if you deny based upon something that is absoloutely natural, it would be no different than denying a black man and woman marriage because they have "unnatural" skin colour.

A finishing note, plastic is an unnatural substance created in a lab mixing chemicals. Does that mean it is immoral?

2. "Marriage is for a man and a woman, and the creation of babies!"
So I guess you're saying that if you're sterile, you shouldn't be allowed to marry. And that the sole purpose of marriage is the creation of babies. What about love? If babies were just the case, then we'd just marry people off to whomever is fertile. It doesn't really matter if they like each other or not - as long as they have sex!
Sex also isn't just the creation of babies for marriage... It's also an act of love. Some couples don't want children, but have sex anyway. Why? Because sex is pleasurable.
It doesn't matter what sex was created for, it matters how the couple decides to use it.

3. "The Bible Speaks Against It"
The entire nation isn't Christian. To create a law based upon a faith (emphasis on that word) and forcing people who do not believe it is OPPRESSION. I repeat that, OPPRESSION. Also, may I quote the First Amendment?



See that little part in the front?

To keep two men or women from having a joint tax return based upon something that they can't help is no different than racism or bigotry.

Also, don't quote the U.S. definition of marriage at me. That definetion should be changed, it's wrong.
4. "But Gay People are More Likely to Get an STD!"
Untrue. If you don't use a condom in your sex with the opposite sex, you're just as likely to get an STD if you're having sex with the same. (Unless you're a girl.) I back this up using common sense.

5. Closing

Anyone who thinks gays shouldn't have the same rights as other Human beings is 1. no different than a racist, 2. a bigot, and 3. is a disgusting human being, and a disgrace is mankind.



Edit: Oh, I found this kind of quote...

10 reasons gay marriage is wrong.

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03)Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazybehavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straightmarriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hourjust-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

0Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours,the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why weas a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10)Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we havn't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

Re-post this if you believe love makes a marriage.

say what you want.. but people are NOT born gay..

it's a choice they make to be gay or lesbian

If you would read the data I posted at the beginning of my original post, your arguement is proved false. People can be born gay due to chemical and hormonal imbalances, among other reasons.

Please back up your claims.

If you are heterosexual, was that a choice you made? If it is truly a choice, you should be able to change your mind. If you are heterosexual, are you capable of changing your mind, or does the very thought make you uneasy? People who are homosexual have the same thoughts and feelings that you do, except they are attracted to the same gender.

You know, I could change my mind right now and decide to go find a girl to date.. but I don't want to. All people are born "straight." To be gay is not natural (and not the way I believe God intended), although some people would like to think otherwise.

Just my opinion.

That's super easy to say, but would you really? Kissing another girl, could you do that? Could you feel that deep emotional connection with someone of your own gender?

This is a biological response, much like a reflex. When you see someone who is attractive, your pupils dilate, your pulse quickens a bit via a surge in neurotransmitters in the brain (i.e. blushing), specific areas of the brain become more active. For heterosexuals, this happens whenever the opposite gender is present, but much more pronounced when the person is attracted. This reaction does not happen with the same gender. Sure, there is appreciation for what is considered "attractive," but there is no physiologic response. You can't "make" yourself have this physiologic response. You say that you could go find a girl to date, and maybe you could. But you wouldn't be attracted to her, you would not have the physiologic response, you would not be "into" her like you would be for a guy. As for what's "natural", I think R.K. has pretty much shot that down.

Hey, I voted yes for 1 reason.
Its their decision if they wanna be gay, then let them be, its not like if they marry we all die.

God didn't intend us to be sinners, yet we ate the apple and now we have original sin. In other words, we sin naturally. Follow that train of thought, and you end up with a theological reason that people are gay naturally - and are therefore sinners naturally, just like you and me.

I've already provided the arguement that your opinion is wrong on the scientific part. There's my theological arguement.

What about bisexuals.



Why is it wrong? Just because you or someone THINKS it is wrong does not make it wrong. It is simply your opinion and to others it's perfectly fine.

And I guess you're another person who doesn't approve them showing affection in public but it's okay for a man and woman to do it, eh?




Where is the rule that says so? We live in a world of freedom and because some religion may say different does not make it a worldly rule.



To b honest, my gay friend seems cooler than a lot of people I see here.

As many have pointed out, I personally think it's someone's own choice to be homosexual. And, Lizziemarie, how are you born straight? I don't get that. Some people know from their childhood right away that they're homosexual. Others know that they are straight, and the rest are either bisexual or aren't sure.

I think it's really up to the church to decide whether a homosexual couple can marry in there. I'm not disrespecting any religions or people there, am I? No.

To be quite honest, I think the whole "it's unnatural" thing has been blown up, since everybody has different thoughts and feelings. I wouldn't feel natural, yes; but others might do. Once again it's the "every man for himself" bit here.

so what your saying that that because someone is different, they should have less privilages?

I have a few gay friends that are really nice, and never say that you "choose" to be gay, because it has been scientifically proven that you can't. You are born with it.

Well I'm not implying anything. I'm also not saying that because someone's different they should have less privilages. Homosexuals, in some ways, do have less prilviages, but in other ways, they have more privilages than straight people.

And, that isn't nessesairly true, because my cousin was straight, but now he's gay. So, really, that doesn't mean anything to anyone, seeming as we're all different.

Just saying.

And, by the way, I'd say most gay people are nice. ^^

You're contradicting yourself. You either choose or you don't. If "people know from their childhood right away that they're homosexual," how is that making a choice?

Some people make a choice (there have been MANY cases of people getting divorced, then they get sick of the opposite sex, and turn gay), some are born natural.

They should live a life that straights can and they should be aloowed to get married like us
Nick

who wakes up one day and just decides "hey ya know what...i think that i'll be gay for the next week"?

Please do not bring faith into this debate. yes, i am christian, but i see no problem in a person or a group of people based on their sexual preference but more so in their character. You don't chose to be a homosexual just because you want or don't want to.

I found some information thanks to wikipedia....

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God didn't intend us to be sinners, yet we ate the apple and now we have original sin. In other words, we sin naturally. Follow that train of thought, and you end up with a theological reason that people are gay naturally - and are therefore sinners naturally, just like you and me.

Your argument makes no sense. We sin naturally so its not our fault? And please don't bring your little religious ideas about creationism into this debate unless you can back them up with sources, of course.

The purpose of any living organism is to reproduce. If an organism is homosexual, they DO NOT reproduce. Their very existence is meaningless. It is not natural to be homosexual. Paedophilia is natural to millions of people world-wide, and by your logic perhaps we should legalise crimes of that content.

The only reason homosexual marriage has been recently legalised in England is solely due to this political correctness bull----. Is it discriminatory to have Gay festivals, Gay week, Gar bars? No. But if a hetrosexual festival or event were to occur, it would fall under the bracket of discrimination.

The government have introduced this positive discrimination bull---- in which white, hetrosexual, males are being treated inequally to minorities. Instead of advertising and promoting homosexuality, the government should be exhibiting a negative attitude towards homosexuals.

The average citizen is being injustifiably discriminated against, and homosexual marriage is another step towards positive discrimination. As far as i'm concernned, it is not correct to be unnatural.

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To b honest, my gay friend seems cooler than a lot of people I see here.

Stop bringing useless extremes into the argument to try to prove your point.

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Its their decision if they wanna be gay, then let them be, its not like if they marry we all die.

Encouraging homosexuality, greater homosexuality, increased population? I don't think so.

When I was growing up gay didn't exist >_> Okay, gay has been around since Sodom and Gamara (sp?). And we all know what happened to Sodom and Gamara....in any case, I'm against homosexuality

As he said, that's his theological reason for people being naturally gay. He's entitled to bring whatever views he likes into this thread.


By by that same logic, the existance of old people, sterile people and some disabled people is pointless. Old people can't reproduce, sterile people can't reproduce, and some disabilities stop people from being able to reproduce. Does that mean we should condemn these people? Does that make them 'worthless', as you put it?


I agree that political correctness is in some cases completely over the top, but I disagree that homosexual marriage was legalised because of this. It's been legalised because it's discriminatory to not let homosexual people get married.

Your point about the festivals - what would you throw a heterosexual festival about?

To the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), gay parades are carried out to demand equal rights for things like marriage. Heterosexuals are in this case, the ones who aren't being discriminated against, so there is no need for them to hold any kind of demonstration.


Okay, I'm a white, heterosexual male. I don't see how I'm being treated inequally compared to any sort of minority group. Could you give me an example of how I'm being treated inequally?

Why should the government be exhibiting a negative attitude towards homosexuals? Why should they exhibit a negative attitude towards anyone, for that matter? We're all born equal.


How is homosexual marriage a step towards discrimination? If anything, it's a step away from discrimination, because it gives them equal marriage rights to heterosexuals.

About your last point - how do you define unnatural? What you consider to be unnatural will often be completely different to what another person considers unnatural.


How is that an extreme in anything? Cloud makes a good point - sexual orientation does not define what kind of personality you have.

Sorry for all the quote boxes.

As if the world isn't overpopulated and filled with homeless adults and children already. You want more?



You must have lived under a rock growing up.




Ahh, you beat me. I was gonna bring that point up.

K..

I'm tired of these should gays marry arguements. Their pointless, and pathatic. I find myself insulted everytime someone brings up an agruement against it, not because im bi, but because it makes so little sence.

So let me get this straight? I shouldn't be bi or gay or w/e because the bible says its bad? Ohh no.. what a damn shame im not religious. Enough said.

Its not natural? Huh? Scientificially thats incorrect. People are attracted to the same sex based on how their brain responds and depicts actractiveness. That was already explained in a previous post, so im not going to get into detail.

Morally.. well frankly what you belive is moral is an opinion, and holds no weight what so ever.

As far as that silly comment about gays not existing in the past.. well thats completly inaccurate. The greeks and romans viewed homosexuality as a perfectly acceptable thing.
-Actually, the Spartan culture honored it, and belived a homosexual relationship was stronger then a hetrosexual relationship.

As far as anyone thinking people who like the same sex are utterly disgusting and not worth talking too, because they must have so many issues that they would never make a good friend. Well, then i laugh at you, because in the past, and too some extent i still am one of the more respected members at the crypt.

Well, i would actually try to rebuck someones arguement, however there hasn't been one arguement that has any real logic too it. Frankly:

An arguement cant be religious, because religion in itself is an opinion, and as such is not a factual arguement.
An arguement can't be moral, because like religion belife in any one moral is up to the individuals opinion.

As far as homosexuality not being natural.. well i'd like someone to explain what they mean by that, because scientificially it is natural. Unless your saying i have some kinda disease? O.o.


As far as the arguement that its a choice, and no one can be born that way.. its incorrect. I can say this truthfully because it would only take one example to prove it wrong. I never made any contious decision to turn bi. I Didn't wake up one day and decide "Hey i think im going be attracted to males now too!". It happened, i couldn't even tell you when it did, because its how i am-its always been apart of me.. and -that- is enough to prove that people can be born gay.

Just because you can force yourself to date a girl, doesn't mean you would enjoy it. Unless you enjoy it, and feel the same way about that girl as you would a guy, then its not the same thing. Its not even close.

I think they should be able to get Married, whats it got to do with us what other people do? People get married because they Love eachother, well two men can love eachother just the same, same as two Women, I don't see any differance....

if they wanna get merry go to a some fricken' place else then a church..



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It is a fact that 95% of homosexuals have a 10 percent or higher amount of the hormone Estrogen (for males) and for females being testosterone.

Studies say that these do trigger attractions between male and female,

Yes, you are technically born gay. so STFU! The U.S Gay Marriage issue should be dropped, if I were President I would speak against the "Amendment" that could easily turn the Glorious United States Constitution into the most ridiculous document in history.

I am not even defending them because I am gay, the fact of the matter is, I AM STRAIGHT! And the studies against gays are some of the dumbest things ever.

And yes, as said earlier, the definition for marriage:

Marriage- The unity of 2 individuals who can reproduce humanity or infancy.

Thats incorrect.

Against the Bible? What? Yes, you can cry in your coffee and whine about it all day, but for the love of God, dont make it a freaking law, its just as bad as Racism (As said earlier)


Homophobes- Can't live with them, can't shoot them.

If gay marriage has ever harmed you in any way say "aye" if it hasn't then stop and think about individuality and respect for it. Remember all you blind christians, God created all of you equal and he sees everyone the same way so keep your arguments to yourself, it is you, afterall who believe that the only one who can judge someone is your God.

Hail and Greetings

I think gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry and have relationships and families and stuff. Who wants to be alone for the rest of their life? What people do in their bedrooms doesn't bother me unless they are hurting kids or cheating on spouses or something.

And Christians should realise that everybody isn't Christian. You have a right to believe the way you do, but when those beliefs cause you to act out against people who aren't bothering you, I dont think that's right.

I think most gay people want the same things I do: a loving person to share life with, good mates to hang with, a great job and safe place to live and decent computers to play Runescape on.

Aubergine2c

ur 200% right... THIS IS WAHT IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN GET THE GOVERNEMT OUT OF MARRIAGE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT MOVE TO MADAGASCAR...i dont hate gays, but i dont think we should have all this crud shoved down our throats. "AGGGHHHH MOMMY THEYRE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ME!"

What exactly is being shoved down your throat? Tell me one way a homosexual getting married harms you? It doesn't.

By the way, typing in caps like that gave me an impression of you being an idiot and that your opinion meant slim to none. You should probably type better if you want people to listen to you.

Yes, I personally think it's okay, aslong as it's not in a church. There is nothing wrong with being gay/lesbian. Alot of famous people actually are. People are different in many ways, and other people should respect that because they have feelings just like us.

Get the government out of marrige? I could just as easily say get religion out of marrige.

A few hundred years ago, women couldn't vote, and africian americians were slaves. Back then, someone could have said "Thats the way it always has been, and always should be." And someone like me would laugh at them, because times change.


Your last statement bothers me, because your assuming that everyone that likes the same sex is outright complaining about discrimination-thats not the case. Most Gays have been paciant enough.. some even moving to those few states that do allow gay marrige and not starting any kind of politicial drama in the process.

As a matter of fact, its the people that don't support gay marrige that are causing all the drama.. the bill was proposed.. and the catholic church rose against it. To correct your statement, its more like the church saying "Omg..this cant happen SMITE THEM ALL!"

As cloud said, what is being shoved down your throat? If anything, the catholic church is trying too shove this whole anti gay thing down everyone elses throat. KthxBai.

I am a christian so I don't believe in it but if they wanna do it let'em. If they wanna be attracted to the same gender then it's their choice

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Homophobes- Can't live with them, can't shoot them.

Resorting to controversial insults and attacks, how pathetic.

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its just as bad as Racism

What i find dicriminating is a hetrosexual does not get the same rights as a homosexual in our modern society. If we were to celebrate hetrosexuality in parades or bars, it would be branded discriminatory, but why can the homosexuals of this world have a greater freedom than the normal person?

Homosexual marriages are another step towards political correctness and positive discrimination. Instead of encouraging homosexuality, the British government should be showing a negative attitude towards homosexuality. Homosexuals cannot reproduce, and the main goal of ANY organism is to reproduce and because homosexuals cannot or will not reproduce, they are unnatural.

The minorities in our society have greater rights than the average white, hetrosexual, athiest male.

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By by that same logic, the existance of old people, sterile people and some disabled people is pointless.

Tell me Turbo, what is the lifetime goal that every organism is to attempt to achieve?

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Does that make them 'worthless', as you put it?

Their natural existence is meaningless, but to other humans they have value.

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what would you throw a heterosexual festival about

To celebrate hetrosexuality perhaps?

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Okay, I'm a white, heterosexual male. I don't see how I'm being treated inequally compared to any sort of minority group. Could you give me an example of how I'm being treated inequally?

An example, at a local college, an open evening was being advertised for ethnic minorities only. No whites, only blacks, asians etc. Positive discrimination bull----.

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As if the world isn't overpopulated and filled with homeless adults and children already. You want more?

Why don't we steralise everyone below the poverty line in Africa? Mass murder the homeless? Your views are ignorent and small minded. Furthermore, what you are stating is that all homosexuals are homeless and poor. Discrimination of the highest order.

I say, no. Because I'm a catholic.
And other than being against my religion, it just seems wrong to me.
No questions asked.

I wish I had those "greater freedom" and "greater rights" you claim we have.
Homosexual/bisexual/etc people shouldn't have greater rights or greater freedom than those of any other person.
And who told you that the main goal is to reproduce? You or the person who told you that understand the universe?
Those are your views and not neccessarily any other person's views, so don't put it like it's the absolute truth of everything.

'Nuff said.

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i say yes cuz them getting married doesn't effect us
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Um yeah It does affect us. If gays are marred. Under tax laws (where it is legal) and such they are given benefits that put them in a different category than normal man and woman couples. They have in the past been given additional benefits (basically a slightly bigger tax return just because they are homosexual couples.)
Oh and if you're looking for an example of how it will affect us here it is:

Example: Sanfranfreako.

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its just as bad as Racism[/quote]

What i find dicriminating is a hetrosexual does not get the same rights as a homosexual in our modern society If we were to celebrate hetrosexuality in parades or bars it would be branded discriminatory but why can the homosexuals of this world have a greater freedom than the normal person

Homosexual marriages are another step towards political correctness and positive discrimination Instead of encouraging homosexuality the British government should be showing a negative attitude towards homosexuality Homosexuals cannot reproduce and the main goal of ANY organism is to reproduce and because homosexuals cannot or will not reproduce they are unnatural

The minorities in our society have greater rights than the average white hetrosexual athiest male font
What i find dicriminating is a hetrosexual does not get the same rights as a homosexual in our modern society If we were to celebrate hetrosexuality in parades or bars it would be branded discriminatory but why can the homosexuals of this world have a greater freedom than the normal person

Homosexual marriages are another step towards political correctness and positive discrimination Instead of encouraging homosexuality the British government should be showing a negative attitude towards homosexuality Homosexuals cannot reproduce and the main goal of ANY organism is to reproduce and because homosexuals cannot or will not reproduce they are unnatural

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Hmm I'm not trying to start a fight by picking out a tiny part of this but on the contrary Ahteist arekey people who are pushing for Homosexuality, most can be argued are doing so out of spite for Christians and Jews. Whom including Muslim texts outright forbid the act of homosexuality. So in promoting homosexuality you are essentially going against all Christian, Jewish, and even Islamic doctine. Oh and the Shintos used to execute men and women on the spot upon finduing such occuraces prior to the 1860's as it was a code of conduct. Proving your point of homosexuality's unnatual incident of socitial and religious norms.
Plant:
[quote]Okay, I'm a white, heterosexual male. I don't see how I'm being treated inequally compared to any sort of minority group. Could you give me an example of how I'm being treated inequally?[/quote]

An example, at a local college, an open evening was being advertised for ethnic minorities only. No whites, only blacks, asians etc. Positive discrimination bull----.
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Slightly not hitting what gay marrage will do to the common American psyche. Think about this in two parts.
*Note: Comical Reference*
1) If you're a guy think about this Rosanne marrying and horrifying events following.
2) For gilrs think about this, Rosanne is a lesbian.
Or... Here is a less comical example:
If homosexuality was imposed in you socially and mentally like the Spanish inquiation imposed religion, only on a far grander scale and you can't do anything about it.
Think about San Fransico and the reputation it has. Imagine Every town in the US Ran by an Atheist Nancy Pelosi copycat made in the same likeness as San Francisco only it wont have the values and traditions we cherish.
This could poentially occur in 20-50 years at the rate it is already happening kinda like a weird Orwell book but only this one is your reality.

Fireball, your comment about San Francisco is very derogatory and rude, as well as the fact that you have no sources of your tax benefits.

Plus, I'm almost certain that the US government doesn't give tax breaks to those who have different sexual orientations, as this would be like giving tax breaks to me because I am Jewish or taxing someone more because their mother happens to be British.

Hmm then you obviously are watching televison news too much where they don't tell you, I wasn't implying it was in place I was implying that there are people who want it put into tax laws. I should have rephrased my self in stating instaed of "given" with given fierce consideration of. Sorry if you couldn't figure out my implication.

As for San Francisco, I can refer to a city however I feel the need to to get my point across so long as I am abiding by Forum rules.

As for Your Jewish heritaige and mother's British family origin, they would never give these racial groups tax breaks unless it came down to tax percentage brakets. This is due to mass bias in American society today where being religious which I hope you are, is condiered a waste of time by most my age. As well as groups like the ACLU who will scream if a minority is even slandered without even using racial or sexual slurrs. I will referr to a book writter by George Orwell "Animal Farm" where in a communistic approach animals kill the farmer and the slayer of the Farmer (pigs) become the dopminant force afterwards on the farm in which rules are set up like our constitution but later only one is present. "All Animals Are Equal, But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others." Of which I am substituing Men for animals in this and all cases.

I'll respond tomorrow, I'm going to bed for now. z...zzzzz...

Fireball, i assure you i would get no tax breaks if i married a guy. Not sure were your sources are on that, but i searched sanfran's tax laws, as well as the fedral tax laws and found nothing that has anything to do with homosexuality.

Have to point out just how far off you are in using Animal Farm in this debate. By using that book your implying that one group (Homosexuals in this case) Would have a higher social standing then anyone else. IE: The pigs having a much higher standing in the comunistic government that the book was simulating. That is an extreamist view.. I assure you that i hardly get any 'special' treatment because im bi.. not sure were your sources are at all as far as that goes.

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And who told you that the main goal is to reproduce? You or the person who told you that understand the universe?

Me... or the person who told me that understand the universe? Please, expand.

Tell me then Banim, what is the aim of any living organism in the known universe if it is not to reproduce?

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Those are your views and not neccessarily any other person's views, so don't put it like it's the absolute truth of everything.

And who are you to command me what in what i can and can't state? They are my views, and i don't put it like it is the absolute truth of everything.

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'Nuff said.

By that statement, is it surely not you who believes that your comments are superior to everyone else's?

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Have to point out just how far off you are in using Animal Farm in this debate. By using that book your implying that one group (Homosexuals in this case) Would have a higher social standing then anyone else. IE: The pigs having a much higher standing in the comunistic government that the book was simulating. That is an extreamist view.. I assure you that i hardly get any 'special' treatment because im bi.. not sure were your sources are at all as far as that goes.

Considering celebrating hetrosexuality is discriminatory, and minorities have greater advantages than the British citizen who gives back to society, i would consider stating it is the majority who are being targeted.

And as for the usage of Animal Farm, its allegorical referrences are about Stalinism and totalitarianism, which has little to do with the current debate on homosexuality.

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Example: Sanfranfreako.