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Solstice
Personaly i think hunting is great. But, killing an animal just for fun is wrong, it should be Illegal. Poaching is worse, so bad its illegal. but hunting and keeping the meat is ok. unless its a pest animal, then its ok to just kill it, ex. rat. Hunting is great and should be expanded. The stealthy element to it is very fun. If u think hunting is cruel, don't hunt. I have nothing against you. But you should try it. Hunting actually helps keep the animal pop under control. Ex-Deer hunting becomes illegal. Deer overpopulate areas. This leads to overgrazing. That leads to another dust bowl, which kills more animals than hunting.
ow hi.
I hunt birds with air-rifles at my cousins' place eep.gif


AND IT'S GREAT FUN WHEN THERE ARE A LOT OF BIRDS OUT THERE biggrin.gif
Catchowmein
If you're actually going to use the animal (Food etc) then I have no problem with it, it's when people do it in the name of "Sport", blergh.
Broli
I've read a short story before called The Most Dangerous Game. It was about hunting, but a different hunting you may say. We had a discussion about it in English class about whether or not hunting is a good thing or a bad thing. Most people pointed out that hunting is good because it helps keep population of certain animals at a certain rate for example like deer. Other people said that it is wrong because you are killing something that has a family and that has a mind of it's own, and killing something is just inhumane.

Anyways, the story The Most Dangerous Game is about a man who is a world renown hunter gets lost at sea and lands on this island called Ship Trapped Island. He meets the man who owns the island and he learns terrible things about him. The man who owns the island is a hunter as well, but he hunts humans. He traps people's ships onto his island, hints the name of the island, and hunts them down in a 3 days time period. The man who got trapped on the island told him that killing people was wrong. But the man responded saying that he wasn't killing, he was hunting humans, just as if you would hunt animals.

Anyways, my point is this. If hunting/killing animals is fine, then why isn't killing humans? I don't like hunting personally, plus I've never been. I understand that we need to prevent animals from over populating, so that's why we kill them off every now and then. But look at humans, there are already like 4 billion humans on the earth but we don't do anything about that. To me, killing an animal is like killing a person. If killing a person is illegal, then why is killing an animal legal and used as a sport/ for fun?
fuzzyjoe162
i don't really have a problem with it, i dont hunt myself, but it doesn't bother me wink.gif
ow hi.
Broli, killing humans is illegal (unless appointed otherwise by law) because the human race is superior to the others. :/ And no, don't go saying I'm an inhumane ----- because I said that, I may be inhumane, but it was not I who made the rules about whether killing is allowed or not - I'm just the delivering boy wtfhash.png
Sir Fisher
There are three types of people... the knowledgeable who have probably grown up with hunting like myself. The blood thirsty who want to kill loads of things for fun (very rare) and then the plain ignorant. The last group being the largest by far. Anyone who is against the killing of animals period, who has had no experiance in the matter does not deserve the right of speech.

Killing of animals for food / materials / population control is perfectly fine and sensible.

What is more frustrating is why my chaos black paint seems watered down and wont stick to the metal space marine honour guard Im painting hash.gif
Phobia
I read The Most Dangerous Game also, pker.
Anyways I don't know about hunting. I think it's ok as long as you're not doing it for the point of shooting animals.
Prot
i myself enjoy hunting, and i see it as population control, the rush you get tracking an animal, it's great.

i 100% support hunting
savge_brb
I hunt with Crossbows and Small Rifles and there nothing wrong with it.
orion crown1
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the human race is superior to the others.


how is that true if anything we are inferior because we destroy or own planet. and hunting humans would be verry sensible because we eliminated most of our natural predators (disease is still a predator). i'm in alaska so if i decided to i could hunt a wide variaty of animals like moose and bunnies (bunies sounds crueler than rabits). im pro hunting.
Kevinboos
QUOTE(orion crown1 @ Aug 7 2007, 08:18 PM) *

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the human race is superior to the others.


how is that true if anything we are inferior because we destroy or own planet. and hunting humans would be verry sensible because we eliminated most of our natural predators (disease is still a predator). i'm in alaska so if i decided to i could hunt a wide variaty of animals like moose and bunnies (bunies sounds crueler than rabits). im pro hunting.


You just proved his point wtfhash.png .
Afk Designs
Hunting's fine as long as it doesn't get to the point of mindless killing.
Kalzilla
QUOTE(orion crown1 @ Aug 8 2007, 12:18 PM) *
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the human race is superior to the others.


how is that true if anything we are inferior because we destroy or own planet. and hunting humans would be verry sensible because we eliminated most of our natural predators (disease is still a predator). i'm in alaska so if i decided to i could hunt a wide variaty of animals like moose and bunnies (bunies sounds crueler than rabits). im pro hunting.


If there was a war between animals and humans, we'd win.
Timmaaaay
QUOTE(pkerdr.broli @ Jul 28 2007, 08:23 PM) *

I've read a short story before called The Most Dangerous Game. It was about hunting, but a different hunting you may say. We had a discussion about it in English class about whether or not hunting is a good thing or a bad thing. Most people pointed out that hunting is good because it helps keep population of certain animals at a certain rate for example like deer. Other people said that it is wrong because you are killing something that has a family and that has a mind of it's own, and killing something is just inhumane.

Anyways, the story The Most Dangerous Game is about a man who is a world renown hunter gets lost at sea and lands on this island called Ship Trapped Island. He meets the man who owns the island and he learns terrible things about him. The man who owns the island is a hunter as well, but he hunts humans. He traps people's ships onto his island, hints the name of the island, and hunts them down in a 3 days time period. The man who got trapped on the island told him that killing people was wrong. But the man responded saying that he wasn't killing, he was hunting humans, just as if you would hunt animals.

Anyways, my point is this. If hunting/killing animals is fine, then why isn't killing humans? I don't like hunting personally, plus I've never been. I understand that we need to prevent animals from over populating, so that's why we kill them off every now and then. But look at humans, there are already like 4 billion humans on the earth but we don't do anything about that. To me, killing an animal is like killing a person. If killing a person is illegal, then why is killing an animal legal and used as a sport/ for fun?


I had to read that as well my freshmen year, and then we ended up reading it again sophomore year. According to that there are 2 types of creatures in the world, those the hunters and those that are hunted. Kind of like survival of the fitest, where we are superior to the other creatures and therefore deserve to hunt it. Personally, I agree with some of the other comments here where it is fine to hunt if you are going to use it, such as for food. Just hunting for the fun of it is wrong though in my oppinion, you can always just do target practice at a shooting range and it's the same thing. The only difference is that you aren't taking the life away from a creature when you do hit the target.
the mob leader
i think hunting is fine execpet if some1 kills a animal and leaves it and those people are the devil and people who do that r ruining it 4 the rest of us ther acting like pyscho.gif with gun.gif running around shooting everthing that moves
Cobra(Kakashi)
Huntign is fine, nothing wrong with it.... its hunting with the freaking sniper style scopes that give the prey no chance what so ever that is a bit wrong.... if your going to hunt stick with fire arms and such that dont appear to be out of a terminator movie....
Rott3n Apple
Good if you need the animal. Like you hunt the deer to eat it and take the fur. Bad if you do it for fun.
Spire
Less smileys more explenation mellow.gif
ryoo7499
theres fishes too. fishing=hunting fish
rampage
Well, Hunting as a sport is totally wrong. If your going to hunt, do it for food or money which you need to live, giving the animal at least a reason to die for.
bronzeaddict
ryoo we're not idiots we know what hunting is we're just using land animals as a explanations.

hunting is fine as long as its not pointless blood sport
Sir Fisher
I shot a rat today, am I going to hell? Am I evil? wtfhash.png

Because I sure as hell arnt going to use it for anything hash.gif

Imodio
for everybody hunt is something of good, til it dont takes the hand and don't takes an animal to extintion hash.gif
Plant
QUOTE(ryoo7499 @ Sep 7 2007, 12:51 AM) *

theres fishes too. fishing=hunting fish


Where can I get these "Hunting Fish?" ohmy.gif
Rs4eva
Personally, hunting is great.
Hunting is fun, but its cruel that you dont use up the whole animal.

If it is used just to play around, they should ban it.
Rott3n Apple
Rats suck ---- shoot all the rats you want XD.gif Fishing is fishing. But people hunt animals like wolves by

killing a cow throwing it in the woods, climb a tree 50 meters away, they stay there till the wolf comes, shoot

it, skin it, leave the rest...
Crade
QUOTE(pkerdr.broli @ Jul 28 2007, 04:23 PM) *

I've read a short story before called The Most Dangerous Game. It was about hunting, but a different hunting you may say. We had a discussion about it in English class about whether or not hunting is a good thing or a bad thing. Most people pointed out that hunting is good because it helps keep population of certain animals at a certain rate for example like deer. Other people said that it is wrong because you are killing something that has a family and that has a mind of it's own, and killing something is just inhumane.

Anyways, the story The Most Dangerous Game is about a man who is a world renown hunter gets lost at sea and lands on this island called Ship Trapped Island. He meets the man who owns the island and he learns terrible things about him. The man who owns the island is a hunter as well, but he hunts humans. He traps people's ships onto his island, hints the name of the island, and hunts them down in a 3 days time period. The man who got trapped on the island told him that killing people was wrong. But the man responded saying that he wasn't killing, he was hunting humans, just as if you would hunt animals.

Anyways, my point is this. If hunting/killing animals is fine, then why isn't killing humans? I don't like hunting personally, plus I've never been. I understand that we need to prevent animals from over populating, so that's why we kill them off every now and then. But look at humans, there are already like 4 billion humans on the earth but we don't do anything about that. To me, killing an animal is like killing a person. If killing a person is illegal, then why is killing an animal legal and used as a sport/ for fun?

Yes i to read the story maybe 2 weeks ago strange that we all share that haha really good story too, oh me im such a spammer.
The deers just gona get hit by a car if we don't kill'em heh.gif
BBking124
i am 98% against hunting
i am from a small town in the midle of the usa and the retards out here go hunting for "fun"
i think the only time you should be able to kill something is if you are treatened by it.
Yes i have beaten some1 for hunting...and im proud biggrin.gif
pwner
i myself dont like hunting, why should we kill an animal for fun? if we kill something let it be for food/money not just fun!

~pwner~
Jalen
Wow. Liberals.

Without hunting, the populations of all those kinds of animals would go bonanza. Would you like to have 10,000 deer running around your town? I sure wouldn't. Hunting is great, without it, all cities would be overwhelmed by all kinds of animals. ALL KINDS. Now I know some of you would be all 'oh deer are cute, let's let them roam the world freely and with no danger'. HELL NO! They would pollute cities, and prevent many things from happening. What those things are, I don't know, but it would happen.

I hunt. It's fun. End of story.
Kevinboos
I never hunted before, but I would love to go hunting, it looks fun.

Also, in class, we were talking about hunting, and I said that I would like to go hunting one time, and this kid was lecturing me about hunting being bad, yet he's one of those kids that likes to kill ants with magnifying glasses, hypocritical much?
Igna
QUOTE(Muskets @ Oct 4 2007, 04:44 PM) *

Wow. Liberals.

Without hunting, the populations of all those kinds of animals would go bonanza. Would you like to have 10,000 deer running around your town? I sure wouldn't. Hunting is great, without it, all cities would be overwhelmed by all kinds of animals. ALL KINDS. Now I know some of you would be all 'oh deer are cute, let's let them roam the world freely and with no danger'. HELL NO! They would pollute cities, and prevent many things from happening. What those things are, I don't know, but it would happen.

I hunt. It's fun. End of story.


Right...I'm not much against hunting, but I have to say something about this.

Cities would be overrun by animals? I highly doubt that. You make it sound like animals just go sprouting around everywhere regardless of any circumstance; in fact, if hunting were outlawed, there would be no real difference in the animal population of cities. Most animals run like hell when they encounter one or two humans. They don't simply run into settlements with thousands and thousands of us (though there are strange and rare exceptions, admittedly). Even in towns, animals would not have any reason to venture, much less try to make a living there (as the habitat is poorly suited to anything larger than a squirrel). Your depiction of a zoo being let loose is misleading.

As for my views on hunting...no real qualms against it either way, though it should be controlled as it is to ensure that we don't destroy the ecosystem. Asking why hunting animals is legal and why hunting humans isn't is kind of ridiculous; the answer is obvious. If we allowed the hunting of humans to be legal and theoretically people didn't band together to reinstate said law (which they would 100% of the time), human society would all but completely dissolve and be thrown into chaos. That's why it's illegal.
Trees
QUOTE(Igna @ Oct 5 2007, 12:26 AM) *

You make it sound like animals just go sprouting around everywhere regardless of any circumstance

Hey man, animals have sex too. WAIT. We are animals.
Igna
QUOTE(Trees @ Oct 5 2007, 03:48 PM) *

QUOTE(Igna @ Oct 5 2007, 12:26 AM) *

You make it sound like animals just go sprouting around everywhere regardless of any circumstance

Hey man, animals have sex too. WAIT. We are animals.



Somehow, though, we've been slow to colonizing oceans, deserts, and volcanoes. Maybe that's because we'd die trying?

Likewise, most wild animals know to stay away from cities.
Rob
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Wow. Liberals.

Without hunting, the populations of all those kinds of animals would go bonanza. Would you like to have 10,000 deer running around your town? I sure wouldn't. Hunting is great, without it, all cities would be overwhelmed by all kinds of animals. ALL KINDS. Now I know some of you would be all 'oh deer are cute, let's let them roam the world freely and with no danger'. HELL NO! They would pollute cities, and prevent many things from happening. What those things are, I don't know, but it would happen.


First point, generalise much? I'm liberal. More liberal than most infact. I however support hunting under the freedom side of things.

However, there need to be strict quotas on hunting and it needs to be strictly monitored. What cannot happen is a repeat of the dodo, or the problems of thousands of species of animals across Africa and Asia.

Anyway, with a basic knowledge of ecosystems, it's fairly simple to disregard everything you said. If you stop hunting deer for instance then yes, numbers will rise. However, with more deer eating food, there will be less food to go around. Similarly, with more deer there will be less space for them to live in. With less food and greater numbers of deer around there will be many deer dying of hunger and, inevitably, sickness. When numbers fall low enough, the deer will have enough food and space and start to multiply again.

The difficulty in this situation is knowing whether more deer at that original point will eat all of a certain one of their foodstuffs, in which case then when numbers grow and more food is eaten, they are forced to eat another of their foodstuffs and therefore more of that is eaten. Eventually the deer could destroy their entire habitat by eating too much of certain types of plant and have problems with malnutrition.

Whatever the outcome, there wouldn't be ten thousand deer running throughout a town.

I do love the suggestion that animals would pollute cities though. It's not like cities dig holes deep into the earth and fill them with a load of manufactured waste - which provided it's out of sight, it's out of mind - is it? It's not like cities are covered in concrete which stops water getting into the earth and therefore forcing water through drains to rivers causing flooding elsewhere during wet spells, is it? It's not like cities pollute the green belt land surrounding them by digging them up and building on them in the name of progress, is it? Cities are pollution.
Igna
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First point, generalise much?


Yeah, I'm liberal too. Conservative side of liberal, really, but definitely liberal.
iamhot
god made humans above animals so no its not cruel
Catchowmein
QUOTE(iamhot @ Oct 9 2007, 03:30 AM) *

god made humans above animals so no its not cruel


*Sigh* rolleyes.gif
Benjy
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god made humans above animals so no its not cruel

I seriously doubt people who post like this even read the topic..



But anyhow. Hunting should be used only out of necessities. Food, money, population control etc.
But as for those sadists who run around with an effing deer head in their house saying 'Yay, I shot a practically defenseless animal with a high powered rifle, aren't I cool?' That is wrong and should not be tolerated.
Sir Fisher
Many of you are saying 'its fine if its done for.....' and then including money in the reasons its fine for.

Lets allow people to pay £700 that will help Africas economy in return for being able to shoot a defenceless zebra. Does that follow your ethical view that you shouldnt kill defenceless animals for sport.. yet apparently its fine if money is involved.... Seems a tad cheap tbh. If you are against hunting, then be truely against hunting for reasons other than survival. Otherwise its a rather skewed view that is hypocritical.
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Benjy
QUOTE(Sir Fisher @ Oct 9 2007, 09:30 PM) *

Many of you are saying 'its fine if its done for.....' and then including money in the reasons its fine for.

Lets allow people to pay £700 that will help Africas economy in return for being able to shoot a defenceless zebra. Does that follow your ethical view that you shouldnt kill defenceless animals for sport.. yet apparently its fine if money is involved.... Seems a tad cheap tbh. If you are against hunting, then be truely against hunting for reasons other than survival. Otherwise its a rather skewed view that is hypocritical.


By money we mean livelihood. As in, I will not be able to live without income, hence I have to kill this animal.

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Jalen
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Cities would be overrun by animals? I highly doubt that. You make it sound like animals just go sprouting around everywhere regardless of any circumstance; in fact, if hunting were outlawed, there would be no real difference in the animal population of cities. Most animals run like hell when they encounter one or two humans. They don't simply run into settlements with thousands and thousands of us (though there are strange and rare exceptions, admittedly). Even in towns, animals would not have any reason to venture, much less try to make a living there (as the habitat is poorly suited to anything larger than a squirrel). Your depiction of a zoo being let loose is misleading.

You read what I meant wrong.
If there was nothing to help control the population of animals, there would be surpluses and surpluses of those animals. There would be so many of them, where would they all go? Wherever they can. Oh, and about them being scared of us, eventually, they wouldn't be scared of us and do whatever they like. Everything changes. I've always sucked at explaining things, but, eventually their minds would evolve and not be scared of us, like humans over coming our fears, whatever they may be.

Rob, can't exactly explain what I mean to you. That was the word that came to me, it's probably wrong in ways, but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. eep.gif

As for ents, that ad, I got it too. biggrin.gif
Jinhyuk-or Jin
It's natural to hunt

In fact, our early ancestors would actually have relied upon hunting
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