What is your opinion of Michael Jackson. If you vote, please explain your reasoning.

Personally I think he's a great musician, but people shouldn't forget the trial he for the alledged molesting and just say that he is great. I think both parts of his life contriute to his current image.

Opinion 3 - A mix of choices 1 & 2 for me.

I think he was a great musician but a little odd today.

IMHO he was a truly talented musician before he started getting all weird

Well for one, I think he should have stayed black.

But seriously, I think he was a great music artist who got messed up in his head due to the molesting thing. If he would have stayed the way he was when he was a child and just grew from there, he probably wouldn't be famous for the wrong things that he is today.

A mix of 1 and 2.

I mean had everything anyone could've wanted, until he sudenlly decides;

"Hey I'm gonna go molest a kid!"

In case you guys didn't know, he was found not guilty like 2 years ago.

That doesn't mean anything. Alot of people are found not-guilty for something they actually did.
He was a good musician, but his image of a black guy with bleached skin kinda drowns out his musical reputation.

thriller was the best selling album in history, but that was when he was black

hes famous for thriller, but also famous for child molesting.

Have any of you seen his bio on the history channel? He had virtually no real childhood and when he wasn't into girls his dad stuck him in a room with prostitutes and said "have fun"...all he did was preach from some holy book to them for an hour though. :-P

That's a horrible argument.

I'd take a thoroughly investigated case over your media-demented opinion anyday. Can you prove the trial was flawed?

He was really talented in the 1980-2000 Era. After the case with the Child Battery, and the White plastic surgery, and Him losing Neverland or whatever, his life is a disaster. He's Choice 3.

FREE THE MAN IN THE MIRROR.

He's killed his reputation. Congratulations to him. I nulled.

He was a great musician. To get sales like that, you've gotta be somewhat good, ha. But I think that the fame and the fortune was what did him in. Fame and fortune can mess people up; just take Britney Spears as an example. I think that messed his head up somewhat.

As for the child molestation, we won't be positively sure what exactly happened, but either way, his reputation is ruined. I really don't like the "Jacko the wacko child molester" label - after all, he was acquitted, but the accusation still sticks I guess.

As for black/white, he can do whatever the hell he wants to his face as far as I'm concerned, but I do think it's weird. Why would you do that?

choice 3.

he is one of those persons that makes me think I want to be black. While he was black, he was a great musician. As he got whiter he started to sleep with bois. See my point?


In my opinion, he just ruined himself trying to be white. He doesn't look human.

OJ Simpson. 'Nuff said.

Zhou, I'm not as old as you, don't have as big of a vocabulary and such a big knowledge of things happening in the world, so I doubt I could out-argue you in any way at all, so i'll not even try
But simply, I was saying that people in the past have most gotten away from crimes, because of missing evidence etc. (Which I am not hinting towards michael Jackson's case at all) I was not implying in any way that Michael Jackson's trial was flawed, just simply stating that being found not guilty usually doesn't make that person any better than they were before the trial.

Oppose my post in any way, but keep in mind that I'm younger, and don't know as much as you seem to know.

Uh-Oh, he be pullin' out da big OJ!

Seriously. The fact that trial systems can sometimes be flawed is hardly a warrant on the Michael Jackson case. If he was found not guilty, there is no reason for you to keep accusing him so without any empirical evidence. Especially considering how the media could've shaped the minds of the members of the jury the way they did with yours. There was overwhelming media propaganda surrounding Michael Jackson, mainly pointing him out as "weird" because he bleached his skin or whatever, and yet the jury still found him to be not guilty. This is not even the main offensive of the argument. The main offensive is the fact that you make accusations solely based upon propaganda without any evidence pointing to your claim that the Michael Jackson case was flawed, whereas such evidence was clearly provided in the OJ Simpson case.

There was little evidence to back up the Prosecutor's case besides the fact that MJ deviated from what society expects to be the norm regarding one's personality.

You're argument is incredibly flawed. You're saying that because one celebrity wasn't convicted, that means that all celebrities are guilty. This is insane. That's like saying, "a murderer escaped once, meaning that all people found not guilty are still guilty."

Prove me otherwise.

Spire, I was referring to the idiocy of people who keep saying "Well, he was a child molester." when they:

1. Don't know that Michael Jackson was found not guilty
Or 2. Ignore the fact that Michael Jackson was found not guilty, and yet continue such accusations without so much as a piece of logic to warrant such a claim.

I personally think that Michael Jackson is weird as hell, but I don't make moronic assertions and try to link them to another situation in an attempt to set up a fallacious argument.

He's definitely misunderstood, but he's also a freak.
if he would have stayed black he probably would be way more normal

I'm not sure what disease he has but I do know that turning white actually helped him in the long run, so he really had no choice.
I think he was, and still is, an amazing musician and that is how I will always remember him.

Anybody in this topic who has judged Michael Jackson by his physical attributes has shown their utter inconsideration and lack of understanding about the whole issue.

However, you can stand by your insolent opinions, i make no qualms about that.



Yes, you were.

And if you can't see that you either need to attend primary school again or just re-read your post. (i'd say the 2nd, you're not that dumb from what I've seen)

Thirdly.

It's my well researched and unbiased opinion that Michael Jackson is as normal as anybody else who has been through hell and back, i can't say that many of you who have judged him in this thread have done the same.

What do i mean by saying Mj has been through hell and back?

Well as a child he was abused by his father, subjected to a lifestyle unsuitable for a child (as a musician), and his childhood was torn from him by these horrible events. (When Mj was a young teenager his father locked him in his room with a protistute and told Mj that he couldn't leave the room until he fornicated with the prostitute. This is just one example out of the many stressful events of his young life that have contributed to his growth as an adult)

Lastly i would like to point out that i too used to be an ignorant fool who condemmed Mj (at the drop of the hat) when i heard (via the bloodsucking media) of the court case.

Well after maturing i rethought my opinion about Mj, i researched into more unbiased fields of knowledge about him and thus i have come to the conclusions listed above.

He's the greatest musician of the modern era and possibly the most unfairly judged man living today.

He will always be the greatest to those who have experienced the true Mj, in contrast to the Mj portrayed by much of the money-hungry media.

row

A memorable note from his court case was the porn magazine which the boy said was the one MJ had but in reality only had been placed on the market some time around the trial.
When a child is envolved the media sinks its teath into the first person that comes into the light. Granted these people are generaly found guilty although the whole thing is up in the air as like I said when a child is envolved the public wants some sort of justice. Its not like having your face and name plastered all over the world as a child molester is bad enough.

Sure he may have a few screws loose but Row is on a good road here and like any person who lived through abuse (and fame if your looking at a social science point) they have had there child hood killed and some times the effects are always there placed in trust and safety issues to anger and even in some cases abuse of anouther child.
I'm fully siding with row here because people dont take the time to go and look into what the issue really is before making a choice. They just get whats handed to them by what ever news station and jump on impulse.

He was a great musician no doubt, but he just makes really big mistakes. Like Bliz here, if he would have stayed black, he would not have made these mistakes. In my opinion, he is just misunderstood.

~Weekend Dude~

Last I checked, skin color does not affect a persons reasoning and logic abilities. Skin color does not play a part in decision making.

actually otter, it did. He wanted to be white and that may have caused some mental problems.

No...

Maybe mental problems caused him to want to be white.

If I want to be black does that mean I have some sort of possible mental disabalitity or issue?

Exactly.

HHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEEEEEEEEEE

Come here little boy@!!@

I WANT YO PANNNTTTTSS

hes one of the greatest singers there is, yet loves little boys

Mix of 2 and 4 in my opinion.

+1



It's illogical to associate the freedom of choice with mental problems.

For example: You get your hair cut. According to your statement anybody can then say that you have mental problems causing you to get your hair cut. Comprendé?



row

That's not what I was saying at all. I was changing his argument because it was grotesquely mis-stated.

I also do have the intelligence of a fifth grader.

ok, but those mental problems are still connected with skin colour.

Ooo ooo I have proof!

Watch the beginning of this video. He admits it. (0:29)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WOaoMvkWDeY

That's ----.

And you know it.

Bah why do i bother.

*music plays*
are you smarter than a fifth grader?
cause there's gonna be a test later
with your teacher
now we're back in school
are you smarter than you used to be?

are you smarter than a fifth grader?
grab a pencil and piece of paper
with your teacher
now we're back in school
are you smart enough to numb fifth grade

Back on topic... whoever argues that Mj is a child molester is just throwing around a weak inductive argument.

You have absolutely no idea how hugely offensive that statement is.

If you are referring to my post, then I was simply joking. I hope you didn't take me seriously.
If you are not, use quotes next time.

I think Michael Jackson was the Beatles of our time...maybe mine. The music he released during the 80's was out of this world.

And whoever throws around that statement sounds like someone two weeks into an introductory logic/persuasion course

Point taken, though.

To everyone saying "he should have stayed black"...



He had a disease, and he couldnt help it. As for the child molesting, no-one can really prove that true or false.

But yeah, he's a great musician.

Ok, i didn't know you were joking.



Correct.


+1

What does the amount of words you can use have to do with anything?


Obviously not. I mean who would think to do that in a Michael Jackson thread?


Oh I don't know, I think it means they are one conviction better off?

Number 1 for me.

Agreed xemaul.

allthough:


MUHAHAHAHA, his nose can fall of his face any time

The interview was conducted in 1993, he probably had plastic surgery since then.

mmk i voted choice 3...i like thriller but what he did was.....REALLY messed up lol

but no matter his actions he is still a great musician

That's the thing, he didn't do anything.

He was acquitted of all accusations.

I only really liked a few of his songs in from the 80's. I listened to his songs after hearing Weird Al's parody's of him. He was ok, I didn't really care for him too much. As for the molesting part, he bought his way outta jail.

People say that "He transformed from a black man to a white woman"


Weird Al FTW

Ugh right.... that really didn't add to the debate..