Pretty simple...
Who do you want to win?

Obama

Most likely to win anyway, in the democratic primary he's leading in pledged and super delegates, he needs only 48 more delegates to win, Hillary needs 246 more to reach the magic number. And I don't think another republican will be chosen this time, not after Bush...

Any democrat would be good for me. I'd hate the continuation of a war that is destroying our economy and the image of the US in the minds of everyone in other countries. I'd like Obama to win though, his generation isn't as far apart from ours when compared to Clinton and McCain. And i'd like a president that is not likely to die in office *points at McCain*

McCain wishes to continue using the Bush Administration's stance on the war, and continue what we're doing. Which basically means: Mindless killing and death.

My vote is for Obama. I feel that he as president can do the most for our country. I think as a VP he should choose Jim Webb, the senator of Virginia. He has a lot of war experience that would be useful for Obama's presidency. Hillary is just a whining ----- and a robot.

AND DAMN IS OBAMA A SHARP DRESSED MAN.

Ralph Nader

I agree

Obama.

I really don't want to continue the war, and to me Hilary is just some whining snob who is trying to get women to vote for her. Although most african-amercans will vote for Obama, many of the citizens will vote for him because of his beliefs and how he will lead us. Besides jhe has one hell of a lead and I don't want McCain to win so yeah.

In my eyes any change is good; I don't know any of the candidates well enough to make an informed decision. I'd like Obama to win but I think he has a lack of experience. I'm worried that McCain will be the victor here though.

Obama, but I don't really want to back any candidate this year.

McCain is a total idiot who is part of the neo-conservative agenda.

Hillary is an old fashioned politician who bases her campaign on traits and issues she doesn't have and hasn't backed.

Obama is a a walking bumper sticker.

Hilary Clinton is just damaging the democrat chances at the moment. At the moment, any swing voters are just seeing that the democrats aren't even able to run their own party - let alone a whole nation.

As to who I want to win? Definitely the despoiled ballot.

at the rate of these candidates, he's the best choice...

Obama is popular only because he's America's scapegoat for
"Hey, lok at us, we've gotten over a silly little thing called racism"

Hillary used the waterworks, and she was behind when T.O. pulled the same stunt shortly after Bu dum pshhh

And McCain? He was the last choice for the republicans, just like Kerry was for the democrats.

ANY Democrat. I'd rather see Clinton in office than Obama, but either one is better than McCain.

Only thing that worries me is this long Democratic primary thing. Just hope that it doesn't go on to long and divide the party making the election unwinnable. Maybe it's time for Hilary to quit....

Anyone but Clinton..

I don't really think McCain is that old.. Ronald Reagan was 70 when he was elected and he was 78 when he finished his second term.

Aww, will you look at that. You seem to know what you're talking about. Too bad you started out your post by supporting Ralph Nader. Otherwise you might've deceived any average person.

First of all, a scapegoat is someone who gets the blame laid on them. You used this word in a semi-contextual way, but you consider that an advantage to him.

That being said, you're still wrong. Obama still does not do too well with white voters such as yourself (I presume). It's ridiculous to suggest that his campaign is based upon people wanting to support a black guy.

What?

Yeah, McCain was the LAST choice. Which is why he overwhelmingly beat out everyone else. But you know, 70 percent of republican voters don't REALLY like their presumptive candidate.



Ronald Reagan accelerated capitalism... For better (for the rich people) and for worse (for the middle class and poor).



Well, the general population DOES realize that electing McCain would be electing George Bush (except that McCain disagrees with the way Bush handled Katrina, which TOTALLY shows how good he is). But you know what they say:

"If Ralph Wiggum is our candidate, then I don't know how we're going to blow it, but we will, because that's what the Democratic Party is all about." -The Simpsons

Obama won the nomination look on cnn

Obama. I don't like the organizations and such that Clinton backs. Hell no I don't want McCain, he's is just 4 more years of Bush. Bush funds enough organizations which perform and get away with unconstitutional acts (yes you know what I'm referring to, shut up, die, and go to hell I don't want to hear your comments) that they get away with everyday. So Obama all the way.

I'm for McCain but Obama will win because he has a lot of charisma... And everyone is only paying attention to the democrats.

You really think the united states government would let someone who was actually for rights get into the "election"?

If McCain got two terms (No way please.) he would be around 80 years old.
At the end of his second term (78 years old), Ronald Reagan was showing signs of alzheimers.

I know McCain is actually in good health, I'm still not going to shift towards him.
Finally Hillary's out of the picture, I think Obama could go far.

Best. Episode. Ever. I love how the Republican Party headquarters appear as a vampire's haunted castle, and then the Democrats meet in the Trader Joe's.

Sorry, off topic. If Obama wins, my only hope is that he doesn't make another New Deal-ish thing. These welfare systems have never worked. Tried, and failed. McCain will do better in foreign affairs, hopefully, but continuing the Bush Administration's plan is not going to work. That's why we failed Vietnam. The US of A shouldn't play the world police role. Either get in, get it done, and get out, or just don't get in there at all. Honestly, we have the strongest military at the present time. If we had just gone full force immediately this stupid affair would be over with. It's ridiculous. Why can't we just say "Sorry, we messed up. We're going to do something right now instead of being ignorant fools." Or at least something along those lines.

And guys, McCain is fine in health. Fun fact, kids, the only thing stopping him is the horrible physical trauma he got from being tortured for two years. Have you noticed he never lifts his arms up when he's giving a speech/happy? That's because the would tie him up in ways to put strains on certain joints, and leave him there for numerous days. So before anyone does this, not that they haven't, don't even step in the arena of John McCain and him being tortured. Yes, he is a hero. End of story. But the question is: Does that make you Presidential material? Probably not.

If Obama wins chances are he will get assassinated
Theres to many racist people in America to let a black man win the presidency

Foreign Affairs are supposedly the strong point of the Republicans, but this neo-conservative mindset in Bush's following is just moronic. McCain IS Bush, and the presidential hopeful has tried to distance himself in order to get more votes. Clearly, this is for political reasons. The US has played a world police role and continues to enjoy it. It's not something that they will easily give up. The Iraq War was a failed extension upon that hegemony. The original intent was never to "solve the problem and get out." Rather, it was to occupy and stay, though Bush definitely got more than he bargained for.

Seriously, where is this coming from? No one has anything to back themselves up on this.

Out of all the racist people in America do you really think they will stand by and let him run the country?
I personally am absolutely fine with whoever it is
But there are always those certain people who just won't stand for it

Where is this rapid "racism" coming from? Sure, there are a few loonies, but I don't see why everyone is assuming he's going to be assassinated. Once more: Do you have anything to back this assumption up?

It's people like you who exacerbate the problem by assuming this. In making such a comment, you are a racist.

Obama promises change.
Obama Gives great speeches.
Now we go back around 60-65 years ago.
A man named Adolf Hitler...
He promised Change to the country of Germany.
He gave wonderful speeches that completely awed audiences.

If Obama becomes president..I'm Forming a Freedom Fighter group and if no one assassinates him..I'll take him on myself.

Trying to take away our second amendment.Shame on him!
The founding fathers developed it to protect us against if our government ever become a tyrannical government. And he's trying to take it away?!?!

He's going to open The flood-gates to illegal Islamic Aliens???
Hes going to cut our Military by 2/3rds...
He's going to tax us even more with his stupid health plan that is required for every American citizen.
He's going to dis-arm all of America's Nukes.
He Used the Quraan instead of the Bible when elected as governor.
He turns his back to the American Allegiance.
He lied about his drug use.
His wife called Caucasians.."whitey"!
He claims to be "Christian"..But his pastor whom he has known for 20 years is racist!
On his campaign website they have a support section for Cal Marx supporters/Communist supporters!
He stated that he "visited 57 states...and has one more to visit"

yet you people still want him as president???
I dare you Obama supporters to watch him speak without a tele-promter..He's a ----ing dumb----!!
You people better spread the word for what he really his.....I fear America will be a free country no more...we will enter a Cival war..


Hilliary is just fail.
Just because McCain Is Republican does not mean he IS Bush...Talk about being prejudiced.
Just because he supports The Bush Administration...Does not mean he will continue the war.
Just because ONE republican your going to give away our ----ing Had earned rights...Just give them up!
Not even going to fight for them!!!
I fell foe the people who lost some-one due to the war okay? But we all have to make sacrifices....
I cant believe how America has gone down..Soon were going to end up like freaking Iraq, Africa and Korea..yeah we will end up a third world country the way we're going...


Come on people...What ever happened to learning from our mistakes?? I guess It's true that History repeats it-self....I just wish Most Americans weren't so ----ing inept!!!! They spend all their time playing video games...And all this crap that they just don't see!!

Time to start digging underground tunnels, Buying weapons from arms-dealers...recruiting freedom fighters, and teaching myself how to hit a target with a rifle from a mile or so. because at this rate..Looks like Obama is going to win. I really wish that with all my heart that people wouldn't be so hard headed! and just learn from mistakes..not just one our ancestors made..But from the whole world...

are you drunk?

Don't ever make comments like this again. Seriously get your head back on your body and settle down for a little bit. If all you came here to do was make comments about possibly assassinating the possible next President of the United States, then you can leave now. Sure both Obama and Hitler made great speaches, but did Obama talk about eliminating millions of people of a certain religion within his own country even and starting a war to conquer the world?

Someone else tear this guy apart for me.

All of your statements are ridiculous. I think you should do a little more research. Your the one that's hard-headed. Everyone has their own views, and I respect that. But the fact that you brought up a "Freedom Fighter Group", "Civil War", and "his past0r is bad!111" is completely ridiculous. The first two are just way off being steady minded, and the last one Obama has refuted numerous times.

And Nick's argument about the Hitler and Obama shindig is what I would say.

And this is why Republicans have such a bad name worldwide. This is the view every other country get's of Republican's through our news, whether that's right or wrong, who's to decide, but seriously saying he can;t be president because he swore on the Qu'raan etc..racist much? Ignorant bigot.

Maybe off topic, but Obama never swore on the koran.

Proof: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ellison.asp

I didn't know either way, but the fact that that was cited as a reason to be not be valid for presidency, was what disgusted me.

me to.

Hitler didn't talk about killing millions of people for a long time..Till close to the war.

Sure I'll put up a link for all this stuff and what not.


TO lazy right now ill edit all the stuff in later :]

Row..i may have been a little...It was just wine though so I doubt it O_o

Ergh. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. I really ought to go to bed, but with something like that I can't just let it go.

Hitler and Obama. That is the most wonderful parallel I've ever seen drawn. Lets start with why this is complete idiocy:

• Hitler believed in the Aryan race - a population subsect of blonde haired, blue eyed Europeans who never actually existed.
• Hitler didn't promise change, Hitler promised fixing the economy - something he achieved by completely recalling the worthless German currency and adopting the Mark
• Hitler didn't talk about killing people prior to the war admittedly; instead he suggested that people with mental or physical disabilities, sexually transmitted diseases (Syphilis was a big problem in 1920's/1930's Germany), homosexuals and generally any people thought "unclean" (Jews, blacks, Romany) should be sterilised. Then he decided to just run them out of Germany. When he went a-conquering, then he began genocide.
• As mentioned: the "unclean" races - Obama is black. Have you thus far seen him calling down a man for being white?
• Hitler was notoriously lazy - all he did was give speeches. Afterwards he'd simply expect his underlings to enact what he'd promised in his speeches. So far, Barack Obama has actively supported his ideas.

The second amendment. This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever seen - completely misinterpreted by modern America. From the original text, ratified by all member states:

This does not state that the individual has a right to keep and bear arms, but that an individual who is part of a militia has the right to keep and bear arms. A militia is a formal group in a local area who would serve in the military - not against it if a government became tyrannical. A Militia is the last line of defence in times of war - such as in times of conscription. A Militia is not a man in his house who has a penchant for being trigger happy. Let us also draw attention to "Well regulated" - you can buy a gun in a supermarket, walk outside, put it in your car, go back in and buy bullets. I would contest that the freely available nature of guns in the USA is infact in violation of the second amendment. And realistically, if you're going to take laws from Britain, you might as well follow suit when we change them. At the moment you're only a hundred years or so behind.



1) You're descended from immigrants. Your country is formulated from immigrants.
2) Whilst this isn't even what Obama's proposing:

Less two thirds? I make that $400billion saved. That's what - less than 10 years to write off the US national debt? Good shout.
3) You pay more in taxes, you pay less in health insurance and everyone across the country is provided with health care - regardless of how rich or poor they are. Currently doctors can turn away dying people if they've got no insurance.
4) I support the CND.
5) Governors don't swear on holy books, the US is supposed to be a liberal democracy and therefore tolerant of religion and race and finally - he's not a muslim. Most of his friends happen to be Christian pastors. (lul Jeremiah)
6) Explain to me what is American allegiance? As far as I'm aware, you swear obedience to a flag whilst exploiting your fellow citizens, you promise "liberty and justice" while one person is born to freedom whilst another is born into poverty, and "for all"? Where is the justice for a poor man who has what little he has taken? Where is the justice for the man who works his life for a corporation to be fired as soon as he begins to struggle? The pledge of allegiance should simply be rewritten to say "for all rich, white Christians".
7) Liberty. Freedom. Freedom to do what you like and freedom to say what you like. Regardless of how it's used, that is in the pledge of allegiance you so cling to.
8) And McCain's wife is an alcoholic with gambling debts. Last I checked it wasn't either of their wives who are standing for office.
9) Whom he then discredited publicly. And although you're going to say "he probably only did it for show" or something less eloquent to that effect; the nature of politics is that it's what you say. You can say anything and it stands until someone proves you wrong - which no one has as yet.
10) The works of Marx and Engels are completely different to communism for starters, but Modern Liberal theory is based upon the ideals of Social Democracy rather than Social Darwinism such as the republican ideals are based upon. The idea of universal healthcare comes from Modern Liberal ideas which were also adopted by One Nation Conservatives. On the Liberal front, how is someone free if they are unable to live and on the Conservative side; a man who has something to lose will not risk it. But of course, both just borrowed it from true Socialism. Whilst I don't expect you'll have read "Das Kapital" or "The Communist Manifesto", you'd be suprised at both the number of things Karl Marx accurately predicted and the number of his ideas which have been adopted elsewhere in society. And besides, as a staunch Neo-Conservative Christian you'd probably like him - he was an Anti-Semitic male chauvinist.
11) ....Prove that he hasn't? I myself have visited 7 states without ever having been the USA. You're using political definitions, not US ones.



So, you've been to Harvard Law School have you? Qualified as an Attorney? As a general rule, you're going to find a lot of people in your life who're more intelligent than you. As another general rule, they're likely to advance in every field faster than you. It's probably best not to insult them.

Yes, what he is. God damn what he is! I mean WOW! I'm going to spread that word to every person I know on all forums I visit - Don't vote Barack because OF WHAT HE IS!

I fear that sometimes the USA is entirely too free. Freedom of speech simply allows people to make fools of themselves.



Whilst it may be at the bottom, I can't help but start with listing Africa as a third world country. Even a third world education teaches the difference between a country and a continent. Actually, a third world education tends to focus an awful lot on reading and writing - a principal part of which is constituted by spelling and grammar.
But anyway, enough of me just being petty and onto an actual rebuttal of these points:

McCain is just fail. See? My argument has equal merit!

You never earned a thing. There's a large difference between what you think you deserve and what you've earned. Just because someone died for their own rights two hundred years ago doesn't mean that they died for yours.

Oh really? So what's your sacrifice. You've obviously not lost anyone in the war - as evidenced by your rather unsympathetic tone. Not that it matters, why, you've already suggested that McCain would withdraw from Iraq: I mean, it's not like a war hero would be more likely to continue a war than someone who more closely resembles a conscientious objector, is it?
And since we've come to the end of this paragraph, I'll rejoin with a proper argument:
Realistically, what are you, about 13? 14? You really have no idea about what the USA has been. Looking at what you've written so far, you've no real idea what it is now.



I'm quite unsure which mistake you're referring to. Although, I suppose I would assume it was the mistake of granting equality to those black folks. I mean, gosh, having a black man as a president - whatever next? Homosexuals and lesbians getting married? Perhaps were you spent more time playing video games, you'd have less time to illustrate yourself as a total cretin.



Even after my earlier comments about guns being easily obtained, I think you're still likely to have to wait till Obama's out of office to be allowed to buy one. At least kids aren't allowed to do anything in the States.

And the lulziest thing you've said: Freedom Fighters. Ever heard the saying: "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"? I would bet my bank balance on you being supportive of the war on terror.

And the moral of this story is: do your research. Honestly, all of us make assumptions. But sometimes you make ones that are too far-fetched making you look like an idiot. Maximus, the assumptions and statements you made were more than ridiculous. Post up your links (if you even have any) sooner rather than later.

Next time, do your research.

Off topic, but does anyone remember "Freedom Fries"? Oh, the lulz I got from that.

Here Here!

It's people like Maximus who proclaim all these idiotic lies about America that give Americans a bad name.

Not all Americans are gun-toting-shoot-then-ask-questions-oh-yeah-lets-kill-them-before-they-kill-us-because-they-might-just-kill-us-and-we-need-to-be-protected-so-lets-go-kill-them-and-them-and-them-and-them... bastards.

I believe that people like Maximus should take some advice that sounds like this... it is better to be quiet and to appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt about it.

Wow you guys are so funny lol.
First off Im not racist I have a black cousin and he's basically my best friend.

Second off I would actually have a treaty with any Islamic faith based country then go to war with it.
So dont jump to conclusions Row.
I am dead beat serous about this. That every single freaking Debate tread I've ever posted in has been for laughs. becuase I know how many people in runecrypt have sand in thier vagina's, so its funny to tease them. I mean everyone who post in the debate thread (most anyway) take life to serously. You've only got one, So have fun with it. Dont get all pissy about what other peoples opinions, after all they are just opinions. I bet more then half of you arent even ----ing old enough to vote yet anyway lmfao.

With that I am gonna leave to the better forums. where everyone isnt so inept and dont have sand in thier nasty lil vaginas.

The response of someone who has got well and truly owned, and is now weeping in fear.

This is the traditional defence of the bigot: "I have black friends".


No-one brought Muslim countries into this debate.


Play it cool guys; if we pretend we don't care they might just think we're completely apathetic. And everyone knows apathy is the new black.


Take a life. No wait; get a life. No, you've got one just use it better. I know I'm thinking through this line of thought whilst BEING HARDCORE AND DRINKING WINE.


I HATE YOU ALL AND I'M GOING TO AN HERO. //WRIST



I love being part of a minority group. But really, how about you come back when you can vote. I'll see if I still find you as hilariously pathetic.



And with that, I'm going to quote:



Thank you and good night.

Owned. Your knowledge has been shown to be non-existent. Yes. Go learn things about the world, then come back to us with your tail between your legs. Or, better yet, don't.

What did rob JUST post?

I meant, of course, maxumus ivo's post.

Rob: I'd quote you, but I'd rather not make my post pages long. Suffice to say that your responces to Ivo's were beautiful. <3

@Ivo: Unfortunately you just attempted to insult every RuneCrypt member who decided to read this topic - along with RuneCrypts head mod. Thankfully it was a very poor attempt, and rob was humerous enough to reply too it rather then take action against your account. Actually, if it wasn't for robs reply and decision not not to ban you, you'd find yourself looking at our lovely IP-ban message rather then reading this topic. I think an apology is in order to redeem yourself, otherwise I fear you might find it difficult to access the debate room in the future.

Hah I love it how Matt subtly alludes to the fact that Ivo stepped way over the line...

Back on topic, let me bump this post...

Election day is looming, who do you think will win, and who do you want to win?

It was an interesting move for McCain to decide to go so aggressively after Pennsylvania after giving up on Colorado, but it seems that he's running out of options.

Isn't McCain in the lead, though? Slightly in the lead, I mean. Just slightly.

I'm pretty sure its the other way around. Obama is slightly in the lead.

I want McCain to win, however, I wouldn't mind that much if Obama won.

By the way, does everybody here know that about 2 socialist parties are running for president?