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Silver Snake
The Bubonic Plauge, or better know as The Black Death, whiped out half of Europe's population. We had no immunity to the disease, which had been carried over from Asia. However, there are only theories on how it started. And im going to add one. First off, my sources comes from this website,http://www.bibleufo.com/index.htm Anyway, in a part of there website, they put ancient proof of the UFO existence. Here is one of there findings:

"Europe: Black Plague, 1347-50: Reports from this period feature strange cigarlike objects flying low through the sky and dispersing noxious mists. Soon after these objects passed by, plague would break out in that area. Other features from this period similar to modern UFO reports include sightings of mysterious MIB-like scythe-wielding "reapers" clad in black hoods & robes, and mysteriously slaughtered cattle and other animals. One year before an outbreak of plague, a "column of fire" was seen over the Pope's palace at Avignon. A monstrous "whale" was cast ashore at Egemont shortly before another plague outbreak, and numerous times during this period "rumblings like thunder" were heard even when there were no storms. Blazing "comets" were seen numerous times in the heavens - some of which may have been real celestial objects frightening an omen-crazy populace - of which numerous were said to be accompanied by "flames" (aurorae?) hanging low in the sky."

Sounds interesting. If you look at the rest of the website, you will see there are many finding that Aliens once visited us many times. So could this disease be an Alien one? If you have read World Of The Worlds, you will remember that the aliens died because they were not immune to ARE diseases, so its highly possible that the Bubonic Plauge, was an alien disease.
stayfrost3y129
That is a very interesting way to think of the Bubonic Plague I've never thought of it that way. As in an Alien disease.
Vipey
No offense to you, but this all seems like a bunch of phony bull ---- wrote by some lunatic. I mean really, flying cigar-shaped UFOs passing before a plague? It's called bad containment. Health conditions back then were the worst.
jac
And I always thought the plague came from rats.
Silver Snake
QUOTE(jac @ Jun 10 2008, 08:17 AM) *

And I always thought the plague came from rats.



It was spread by rats. It didnt "come" from rats.
Vipey
Okay, where is your factual proof that any of this is even true at all?
h3n7y
Sorry but this is the worst conspiracy theory I have ever seen. For example, why would people refer to "ufo's" as a cigar shaped object if they didn't even have cigars at the time..
Otter
QUOTE(h3n7y @ Jun 9 2008, 05:23 PM) *

Sorry but this is the worst conspiracy theory I have ever seen. For example, why would people refer to "ufo's" as a cigar shaped object if they didn't even have cigars at the time..


+1
rocof
the plague appeared in some small bugs which infected rats. Since people on those times didn't care about sanity and there was poop and dirty things everywhere, there were many rats. And the disease developed and infected humans.

No aliens.
Spire
Who would beleive this? If you beleive in this, you might as well say that Cancer is alien microbes reaking havoc on our bodies.

The plague was carried by rats and fleas. It's as simple as that.

Give me some proof.
Saying, "The martians came in Ufos and killed millons!" Sounds like an 80's alien movie.
Silver Snake
QUOTE(h3n7y @ Jun 10 2008, 09:23 AM) *

Sorry but this is the worst conspiracy theory I have ever seen. For example, why would people refer to "ufo's" as a cigar shaped object if they didn't even have cigars at the time..


Im going to be litteral here, and ask, where does it say that THEY discribed it as a cigar? They might have decribed it as a shape, and since Cigars would look like that shape, you might say they saw cigar like ships.
Spire
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Reports from this period feature strange cigarlike objects

That's not describing it as cigars? Whether the people who wrote the site or people from that time period described the "ships" as cigar like, it's still an unreasonable theory in my opinion.
Cypress
You may think UFO's brought the disease. Wrong.
You may also think UFO's spread the disease to Europe. Wrong also. Rats that were in trades tagged along, got off in Europe, and spread the disease. And since they had cruddy houses made with straw roofs, rats could live in those and spread the disease easier.
sonic718
anyway if there are aliens out there I think we'll be the ones visiting them first. So no alien disease, its a crap sanitation disease.
I am me and only me
QUOTE(Spire @ Jun 9 2008, 06:40 PM) *
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Reports from this period feature strange cigarlike objects

That's not describing it as cigars? Whether the people who wrote the site or people from that time period described the "ships" as cigar like, it's still an unreasonable theory in my opinion.


The reporter discirbed them as cigar shaped, the people just described them and the reporter took it to look like a cigar. Though the theory is still bs.
Silver
1. You site a FICTIONAL book about aliens for proof.
2. There is scientific proof that the Bubonic Plague came from rats being bitten by fleas infected with Yerinia pestis. From Asia, the Mongols spread the disease through their ponies, rats following them, and of course, throwing their dead over the walls of Eastern European cities.
->We have evidence by going through the mass graves of the time, and comparing their dead bodies to those of modern day who have the Bubonic plague. They are the same.

Sorry, but this whole alien theory is way out of it.
sonic718
wait, how do you pernounce the name
like...Boob-onic plague? rofl.gif
(plz don't flame me)
Silver
Bubonic is pronounced Bew (like Jew or stew) Bon (like... bon jovi?) ick (like... sick)
Row
/cut thread here.
Sir Fisher
Flashes of light in the sky? Aliens... When animals die in a field from old age? Aliens... When my housemates used up an entire bog roll in a day? Aliens!

Honestly... While it's all a bit of fun sticking the title of 'aliens' to anything that doesnt have one definitive answer, it doesnt help in the slightest. The bubonic plague hasn't been attributed to one particular bacterium or virus simply because there are a fair few of them that could of been the possible culprits. The most likely susect is Yersinia pestis - a gram negative bacillus which can cause bubonic, pneumonic and septicemic plague. That means that it may attack through rat bites, flea bites, or through inhalation of the pathogen (Without a vector). Major diseaes and plagues arn't unusual, where ever you have large concentrated populations, you'll find diseases evolving. Sooner or later another beastie we cant fight will spread around the world and make another dent in the human population.
Zhou
That's completely ridiculous. The only reason why the Bubonic plague had such a massive historical influence was because it was widespread. This was clearly due to sanitation issues, because as soon as people figured it was the spread of fleas, the plague was no longer a problem.
Spire
QUOTE(I am me and only me @ Jun 9 2008, 06:28 PM) *

QUOTE(Spire @ Jun 9 2008, 06:40 PM) *
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Reports from this period feature strange cigarlike objects

That's not describing it as cigars? Whether the people who wrote the site or people from that time period described the "ships" as cigar like, it's still an unreasonable theory in my opinion.


The reporter discirbed them as cigar shaped, the people just described them and the reporter took it to look like a cigar. Though the theory is still bs.

I know I wasn't correct on that one, I was confused slightly.
The Thief Lord
Either way, there isn't any solid evidence, or any evidence for that matter, that the Bubonic Plague was spread by aliens. Today, there are many sightings of UFO's, and some eerie things that happen. Contrary, with ANY situation, there is ALWAYS a variable, a tangent if you will, in which conspiracy theories manifest. Pasteurella pestis, the bacteria thought to be the culprit behind the black death, was one of the largest pandemics in human history. One thing that many people don't know is that this disease has been thought to have resurfaced - hundreds of times. In 1603, the place resurfaces, killing approximately 40,000 Europeans. Yersinia pestis, the current thought of what the bacterial culprit was, was proven to have the ability to spread itself through many animals and insects, some of which are still unknown. The bacterium, Yersinia pestis, is still commonly found in populations of rats in Asia, but is proving to be dormant.
Zeton9
The truth is that it came from ghosts. After the ghosts planted poop in the most important places. then BOOM. BUBO PLAGUE.

Tell everyone you know!!!!!
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Hmm, or not. Yeah it was from the east. China> bugs> rats> boat> Europe.

dorian_the_walker
Yes, this whole thing sounds like the ravings of a senile lunatic on LSD. Seriously. And the black plague got rid of a third of Europe's population, not half.
leet dude
QUOTE(Silver Snake @ Jun 9 2008, 10:08 PM) *

QUOTE(jac @ Jun 10 2008, 08:17 AM) *

And I always thought the plague came from rats.



It was spread by rats. It didnt "come" from rats.



i always thought it came/was spread by fleas on the rats

anyways i think its not an alien disease just because of poor hygiene
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