Before you go to close this...





There is no need for forum leaders due to the fact that they either should be
a head mod for actually being helpful in thier said forum or just a regular members for the people who
let it go to thier heads and are useless as a 'leader'. We had a conversation about leaders of G&A while talking
about Thefleshman's Slayer Blog topic. This is what was said about the contest Thefleshman is running.



Attacking activity in the forum he is supposed to be 'leading', that isn't a good leader.






From what i've seen the position isn't even taken seriously:





When it was voiced that this topic was going to be made this later came up
when Overdoziz was leaving #cryptirc:



If anyone thinks they have been taken out of context then please say so.

This post was the combined effort of Thefleshman and myself

Mostly sarcasm, and just fun.

Forum leaders were selected to regenerate interest in the forum, not specifically give advice or moderate. Basically those people gave that advice and the general mods moderated just as well...

Thing is no one was responsible to make new stuff and get people into it, because no one had enough time on their hands (from the staff). Basically what forum leaders do is use the time they usually spend in the forum anyways, but now they have a connection with staff that allows them to create official things that are supported by the whole community.

That's what I knew of it, and that's what got us to open the EURO 2008 image competition, the new Vlog and Blog and more to come - in the GFX forum.

To me this seems like you are just attacking Overdoziz, and I can't help but see this as a general rant without any real backing.

I don't think you can claim anything said in #CryptIRC in truth - we strive to be as sarcastic as possible.

I agree with some of your argument.

Sure, they can help in some situations regarding the certain forum and can sometimes help encourage people into posting in the forum, but it doesn't really seem to be working. We have plenty of moderators from all kinds of timezones and I think they do just a fine job of moderating, encouraging people to post, and basically just enjoy the use of the forums.



This quote really means that even the forum leaders themselves question their presence on these forums. If even the forum leaders question their powers, I really think that they are kind of useless.

Forum leaders are helpful in some situations, but really I don't think we need them, they don't do much to help the overall quality of the forums. I haven't really seen any improvement in the forums other than people "hailing" the forum leaders just because they have a fancy little badge in their post.

Edit: The GFX forum really seems to be the only one taking large steps to improve itself.

I personally don't think most the things said in IRC Chat can be taken serious, unless people know that they're getting quoted or something like that.

I've seen quite a few improvements to be honest. Things like new contest, events, tips, vlog and even more. And maybe if these new things aren't running great, they're certainly not bad for RuneCrypt.

Forum Leaders are mods (of course not only mods) of a specific forum, making it more effective, seeing that mods need to check all the forums.

Please don't copy stuff from #Cryptirc in here because we are currently still not related to Runecrypt.
K, thanks.

I agree with Bliz that the IRC shouldn't be taken seriously but I think the only Forums needing leaders are GFX and RS Questions.

It seems that you are one specific example from one specific forum to decide that the entire idea is bad.

I do appreciate the feedback, however I can assure you that the forum leaders position WILL NOT be taken away. Especially not for one persons ill chosen words.

If anyone has any advice on how to IMPROVE the idea of the forum leaders, that would be much appreciated, I feel as though I didn't properly announce what the forum leader position actually is, so I will take a few moments to do that now.

The role of the forum leader is not that of a moderator. In fact other then closing topics that -obviously- need to be closed, they are supposed to REPORT misconduct as any normal member would. Their chief responsibility is to promote activity by posting and implementing ideas (With higher staff approval) that will increase interest in the forum. So far this has been best demonstrated by improvements in the Graphics and Events forums.




Overdoziz, sadly I see that you do not really understand the whole ideal of the forum leader position. While normal members are not typically held accountable for actions taken outside of runecrypt - Staff members are. Especially when those actions are meant to directly provoke or attack another members topics or ability to post. That is not the job of a forum leader.

On the same note, I have spoken with Daniel (TheFleshMan) regarding the status of the G/A forum which resulted in him becoming that forums Newest Forum leader. He will be working along side Rocof to correct any issues that forum may have had. I'm sure anyone who frequents the G/A forum knows him, and can appreciate his ability as a leader for that forum.

This topic will remain open for discussions about the forum leader position as a whole.

Thanks,
Matt.

Damn, I missed a good IRC session.

Overdoziz, that really isn't something to 'joke' about. Personally if I was in Matt's position and I saw those quotes, you'd no longer be a forum leader. Uncalled for.

Clearly the situation has taken a sharp turn for the worse, as when I suggested that Prot/Dan post this topic I was hoping it would involve more of an attempt to single out certain things that weren't working well, and suggesting what we might do to improve in those areas.

Clearly neither of those things has happened, and many other issues have arisen from this that I did not foresee. The staff will discuss the topic in general and put into action more changes that hopefully will give the forums another boost.

In order to promote more forum activity we could have weekly/monthly events/things like GFX Blog and weekly events from the GFX and Events forums.

I think that forum leaders should focus upon the immaterial machinations of the forum. Such as improving community ties with each other by developing a more suitable and facilitating faculty where everybody can meet each other and feel comfortable (bullying is a no-no). We need greater amounts of community activities and we need to build traditions here at Runecrypt. Tracey Rowland, in her book Culture and the Thomist Tradition, describes an ideal kind of community as "not merealy that of a group of individuals united around a few common objectives, such as health care for the age (take for example goals and achievements), or shelter for the poor (take for example here the GFX), but of an entire order in which certain practices exist simultaneously as elements of the tradition and of the culture in which novices would be formed and masters perfected. Tradition and culture are therefore symbiotic. For the flourishing of such a community, nothing could be more toxic than the introduction of a counter-culture of "forced or deliberate forgetting". Rowland criticizes, "the idea that each successive generation of novices need to recreate the tradition, rather than merely develop it... So that they can be 'authentic' and 'relevant' to the needs of 'modern man'". My preposition here is that Runecrypt should return to the grass roots of it's foundations and create promising traditions that will help this place not only to grow but to come together, more so than we are now.

#cryptirc is not an official RuneCrypt channel. I don't think you should quote what was said there because it's a channel mainly for fun. I think 90% of the things said there are not serious, at least that's what I feel like when I use it.

I believe Overdoziz just made a failed atempt of sarcasm on the internet which was taken seriously. He's as good forum leader as I am, everyone makes mistakes.



I think what I tried to explain when I said that wasn't very clear. What I wanted to say is that, when cecchi explained me what the forum leaders were going to be, I didn't actually understand how they could help. Forum Leaders aren't actually needed. The forums were fine. But with Forum Leaders things don't get worse, do they? Then it's ok to have them although not completely needed. By the way my "^" was directed to "<Prot> i don't thin crypt needs ****ing forum leaders", not to the retarded part

And I do take my position seriously. I hope things are clear now

Those quotes are taking out of context and can not be judged well if you didn't take part in the conversation.

By now you should've learned not to take anything happening in #CryptIRC seriously. Everyone knows that most things being said in there are pure sarcasm and joking.

Regarding the removal of forum leaders I couldn't really care. It seems like something the main moderators thought would be a good idea, and the forum leaders themselves seem to enjoy their status, so why not keep them? They don't hurt anyone, and they do what they can to make something good out of their position. I have noticed big differences in the graphics-section of the forum for example after Fishermanim got his leadership.

The idea of forum leaders has been in the making for a long time, and we thought about it a lot before actually putting the whole thing into action. I hope you don't still have the illusion that forum leaders will just be de-moted again because you totally missed the point.

Anyway. I'll leave this open to discuss and maybe tell us on which points we can improve.