Its a simple debate.
Is True Peace Possible?

My argument is really just this. With all of the fighting and pain that we cause to each other everyday, direct or indirectly, we ruin others days, and hurt many people sometimes unknowingly, although this is coming from your typical teen (meh). I've always wanted peace, just for the world to stop fighting and actually shake hands give a friendly man hug and go, hey Isreal, Iran, Iraq, Hey Middle East, nice to know were friends, hey China nice to know you're not going to bankrupt America for owning all of our banks. Hey Japan, nice to know you're not kamikazeing anyone anymore. Hey Terrorists, nice to know you've stopped killing yourselves.

That was sarcastic true. But Peace, how can you bring about true peace, and keep it?
Your thoughts please.

This could bring up some religious ideals though, so please if we can, don't bring up any religious crud, even though religions are also one of the main problems in my opinion only because of the conflicting beliefs and the wars they caused (Ehem Crusades ) but yeah, trying to stay off that point would be appreciated.

No. Jealousy is part of human nature.

No Peace can never be achieved. Not possible.

So peace isn't possible at all? In no way?

There's a lot of things the human race would have to do to achieve world peace. I believe it can happen, but not anywhere in the near future.

First obviously, international disputes would always have to be solved without violence or threatening of violence. Every person would have to respect one another. We'd have to have one religion or none at all imo. And no country should be telliing others what to do.

It's probably going to be a really long time before people understand war isn't the best decision.
So, it could be possible.

I do not believe that "true peace" is possible. In an utopian world, peace and harmony are merely discarded as prerequisites. However, Earth is far from this fantasy, and peace is considered a blessing. War and hatred surround each and every person, and human nature fuels these negative feelings.

People have been trying for decades to establish peace in the United States, however, many of their attempts have been futile. There are too many factors in this world to drive a person to do wrong, and many of those varibles are either permanent or irreversible.

Humans derive from animals, and it is those animalistic instincts within us that drive the henious crimes that people commit. Unless somebody finds a way to dehumanize people forever, this world will never have sustained peace.

unfortunately, I do not think the true peace can be achieved whatsoever. as long as there are 2 people who dont agree with eachother, there still can't be true peace. You may be thinking that 2 people wont make a difference, but it can. soon, the arguements between these 2 people can escalate massively, and others may take sides - and that is basically how some wars start, mainly civil wars Unfurtunately, true peace cannot be obtained until everyone agrees with eachother - one way or another.

Why couldn't they just compromise and settle their disagreements? They wouldn't need to star a war. A lot could probably be avoided.

Well, with the compromising, a lot of people are greedy power hungry person's. So, compromise is instantely taken out of the picture. Hard to say, everyone would need to be in agreeance. (however you spell it)

But yeah, if there would be peace it wouldn't be anytime soon.
Maybe the people of the future will learn better.

True peace can only be achieved if the government stops being ignorant and greedy manipulators of society.

It's not just the government, but the people, the churches, everything would have to come into unison on everything, if a homosexual can't walk the streets without criticism, or arrogance of some religions, then how can we obtain true peace?
Everyone would have to expereince everyone elses pain and no what it was like to be them.
I suppose a theory would be a way where everyone knows and feels everything everyone else feels, although that is out right absurd you could say. Imagine knowing how bad you would feel just for expressing your own self, and then everyone else knew how you felt on a personal level. I don't think the criticism would keep up for so long.

They're cold and cruel people out there, they're dark and unfortunate people, hating and just out right mean. And you can't pull a Hitler and say "Well, get rid of them." But you can't always make them see how to not be so cruel either. The stubborn minded will remain stubborn on some things.
In the End, I think only in a few millenia, when a newer generation is spawned, will the ideal of true peace be in some way, achievable with less consequences. Because right now, the onyl way for that to happen, is to pull off a holocaust, and then the ultimate hypocrisy would be pulled off, killing all the cruel and hating people would make you into nothing more than a cruel person for killing someone else for how they acted.

As mentioned by others; peace, if achievable, will certainly not be achieved in our lifetimes. There are far too many differences in the world today for people work together. One of the major problems being religion of course; as people's outlandish beliefs our held highly above the more important things in life.

So, the short answer - No, peace is not possible.

In the long run - Peace may be possible on a global scale in the future, however it may be so far in the future that we develop real space travel and visit other worlds with species that we hate just as much as we do our neightbours currently.

true peace cannot happen in my opinion

I like to consider non-war or respect/friendship instead of peace. True peace started thousands of years ago when stuff like resources, territories, etc got a value and as long as we are dependent on those things, the true peace is impossible

You can't be friend of everyone.

Can I like hire you to speak for me or something? You're saying exactly what I think in a sane and perfectly understandable way without confusing anyone
Only difference being we wouldn't be at true peace if we found a species we hated since we'd most likely be right back where we are right now. Only with another world, unless the species co-existed with humans, but that is Way off topic.

Peace is inevitable. Humans by nature are good. In fact God made us and said we were very good. And in the end Jesus will come and reign for 1000 years.
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My faith aside, peace can be achieved with a few well placed bullets in a couple of corrupt heads. Communism agrees with this logic, revolution is necessary for a utopia. The communists you see on the news however are going about their own business, not a utopia for all.

Ok firstly, for someone, be that God or Jesus or anyone who actually exists to rule then there'd have to be obedience. That would never be achieved if that was to happen, because not everybody would so easily obey a 'super' being if they came down to rule us. I being one of them. It would be no different than a dictator taking the rule of a country and slowly spreading their influence and power over unwilling countries. And the only answer for God, as with a dictator, would be to destroys those disobedient which would be far from peace.



That is also highly hypocritcal. Killing people is not the road to peace, it would merely convince others to fight back against those doing the killing. Communism as proved by Russia does not work. A Utopia through the means of religion or mass-genocide (much like that in the film Equilibrium) is not possible.

There already is peace on small scales, look at europe...
If any country these days would have some sort of weird idea to attack another country, everyone will turn on them leaving them chanceless basicly.

Should be possible if we nuke the middle east

Maybe. But, theres always going to be someone who doesn't agree.

what science proves to us is that the natural way is messed up, and unorganized (looking at the large picture that is), And it takes a lot of effort or energy to keep thing is tidy order.

Basically it's the same here, we can put in a lot of effort into keeping the world 'organized', but if we stop for a small time it'll fall back to it's natural disorder.

Nature explains that concept quite well.
Although I don't have much else to say other than that.

Well, also the Middle East just needs to cut out this bull ---- fighting constantly, nuclear weaponry, and all. If they seriously think they'll screw over the entire world, they'll be dust within 10-20+ minutes of their first warhead launch on another country, at least I think hope so.

Peace is an arbitrary idea made to describe a state of perfection.Everyone has different thoughts on what this means, so peace is subjective. Therefore, a peace between anyone but oneself cannot be possible.

Which in my personal theory means that unless everyone thought the same way, felt the same way and knew everything everyone else knew, then only then could a technical peace be shown, until one person shows up who is an independent person to the giant mass of same people, then peace can no longer technically exist.
I started a book on this actually...
I'm not sure about Peace being a subjective term though, although from everything I've ever, heard, seen, and felt, it kind of makes sense that peace is a subjective term.

Peace, as you describe it, is merely an ideological concept. For you, it's almost an utopian idea; it's your idea of perfection.

However, this is not true for everyone.

As long as humans exist, they will have disagreements. For example, your idea of peace is utopian while my idea of killing everyone may be utopian. Because of this, there is a conflict over what is best. That's what leads to violence. Because different people want different things in so many different areas, peace will never exist.

I'll be brief and to the point. There will never be a Pax-Terra. It is in human nature to want more. There will never be true equality in the world, and so those who have, will want more, while those who don't will resent others and fight for it. Peace will never be achieved because we are all fighting for survival, and a better quality of survival.

As once said: All men are equal.. its just that some are more equal than others

Personally I would like to see Pax-Terra, but it won't happen unless the human population is dramatically descimated so that population and resource strain is almost non-existant.

As for 'peace' there is peace, it's just that it isn't everywhere.

Oh you Ronan, quoting Orwell.

Russian Communism isn't Communism as proposed by Marx and Engels. Whilst Lenin based his vanguard party on the ideals of communism, he went about achieving his goals in a completely different way. Had he not died then arguably Russia could have become a true socialist state or perhaps even had Trotsky come to power rather than Stalin, but even then it's unlikely.

There is of course a remarkably simple way of attaining peace. The majority of people would be quite happy in a collectivist anarchist conclave and such a system is in itself fairly utopian. And for those who don't wish to be a part of society - the egotists, misanthropes and the like - they should simply be allowed to do as they wish and people encourage them to do it. The whole basis of conflict arises from one person telling another that they either can't or shouldn't do or have something.

Allowing everybody to do whatever it is that they want is not going to allow everybody to do whatever it is that they want.

Personally I believe Ronan summed it all up very nicely.


Aaaaand he used Latin terms which is just plain sexy