Okay, so for my own personal reasons and the request of a friend, I began a little research on Transgenders and found it rather a Controversy, so I went, hmm, new debate eh?

So, for those of you who are slightly confused on the term and all, well...
Transgender Wikipedia Page
For example of a Transgender, it is a boy who feels like a girl on the iside and vice-versa, this however does not mean the person is particularily lesbian or gay, so keep that in mind.

So give me your opinions. For me, for my own personal psychological reasons, and certain friends reasons, I've never really shunned the gay and bi communities like some do. You should be able to do what you want to do as long as it isn't involving killing or harming others, now some censorship is never bad for certain reasons like the mental safety of children but honestly, whats your outtake?

I really believe people should accept how they are created and live on with it. I don't really even believe that homosexuality is something that "you are born with" or can't change. I think it's people's choice. You never see any gay animals do you?
Anyway I don't want anyone to think I hate gays, I just think It's their fault they are. Humans are naturally supposed to be attracted to opposite sexes.

And on the odd occasion you get a gay or lesbain or even a bi. The psychi can be very confusing, you cannot say someone is suppose to naturally be attracted to the opposite sex just because its natures way. Nature is a maelstrom of horrific events at times too, you ever see a tidal wave or a tornado? Those are unexpected, kind of like people.

And sometimes the physical body isn't always enough to make somoene feel 'correct'. It's the basic psychology of the matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

Or that epxlains a good valid point too.
It's mostly the psychology of the matter though.

I don't believe you're being fair thinking its their own fault, especially if you look at Rape victims. Some girls were abused by their father's so they stray away from guys. that's not truly their fault is it? Some guys betray, and cheat on girls, it's not the girls fault she lost trust in men and went lesbian.

Wait what?
Transgender doesn't have to have anything to do with being lesbian or bi..

offtopic: how's your mom?

Oh, I know, I just need to prove Sonic wrong so, transgenders could be gay or bi, or even les though, mainly because trasngender is, simply put, a girl trapped in a guys body or a guy trapped in a girls body as an example, for say, it's possible for homosexuality then, then again its possible no matter what, it;s no ones fault either, you should be aloud to be who you want to be.

Offtopic: She was high this morning. Now she's calling me up yelling every half hour about chores and work. It's grand

I think that transgenders are like gays...but actually represent the gender they wish to be.

off topic: I was also a cross dresser in rs for a while due to pure boredom

Are you thinking of transsexualism?

offttopic: hi.

This looks more like a gay/lesbian/bi debate to me :/

OT: John, no u.

It's meant to be more about what your outtake on trangenders are. So, more aless what you think about people who feel like they're the gender they aren't naturally, that doesn't necesarily make them gay or lesbian either, so keep that in mind, a man who feels like a woman on the inside won't necesarily be gay.

Transgender is usually combined with acting like a retard, but if they act normally I don't see why I should care.

No offence to any transgenders here though

Guys.
The debate room is a serious place.
Cut it out or we will start taking action.

To be honest, I feel sorry for people who feel like they are born into the "wrong" gender. Because they may act like the opposite gender and like the same gender, they will be made fun of and probably shunned by some people. But to be honest, I do find it kind of weird for them to actually have sex operations to change their genders. Personally, I would not want to date a woman and later find out they were once a man though, I would find it rather difficult to deal with. So this is actually an "iffy" topic for me.

iffy describes it perfectly. Although it'd be a different story if the girl in the guys body or vice versa liked the same sex, (girl in guy body who liked girls cause girl was lesbian i suppose?) but when it comes to sex operations, well, I'd imagine it'd be weird for one reason, you'd have someone elses stuff on, or in you, unless its all fake prostedic crud. I have no clue so, maybe I outta give that one a lil look up.
Hmm.

Otherwise I'd think the shunning and hatred towards gays and that stuff would be the number one reason for shyness with Transgenders.

I don't mind gays, but I do think getting surgery to replace your reproductive organs is wrong a bit strange though. I don't think that people should enforce people not to do that though.

A couple of years ago I read an article about Gwen Arajo (not sure on the name... was a transgender teen/young adult that was killed by 3 men...) and it kind of gave me a small view at transgender.

I feel that if you think you are the opposite gender than you should be, then you should be allowed to feel and act that way, as long as it doesn't affect other people's lives severely.

Well, there's a guy that became a women at the take-away shop (either that or a women with facial hair ). To me, it's seems a little strange. However, if they can't help wanting to be a male/female, then what point is it giving them a hard time? Sure you might not agree with what their opinion is and they might not agree with yours. Although, what we need to remeber is that opinion isn't truth, so they're opinion isn't any less true than yours.

Viper

Oddly enough it seems like Opinion is what leads the world

Eh, well in all honesty opinion alone doesn't matter, its when people put their opinions into action that matters.

Perfect example, in they're opinion they did not like him, thought it was wrong, they put their opinion into actions and ta da, a dead teen who was only being himself.

Well, I left out the part where Gwen tricked the men into having sex with him...and then they figured out Gwen was still a man... and killed him.

So they realized he was a man after the sex?

okay well that defeats my purpose quite well.

*Appears from the Shadows*

Remember that there is actually a middle ground with Transgenderism, where people don't feel that they fit in to either Gender and prefer to stay Androgynous, "Genderqueer" if you will.


*Vanishes*

Honestly I don't see why people care so much about what other people do. I can't imagine getting all bent out of shape just because a man would rather be a girl or vice versa.

I honestly would prefer to be a girl
For my own personal reasons, and I quite envy Transgenders for their ability to not care about all the criticism and such.

Hey you can't blame somebody for being born like that, or being like that. These are people after all no matter what.

I don't support it or anything, just generally saying.

I personally believe that transsexuals and homosexuals have a type of insanity. I think that an operation or marriage keeps them happy, so let them. It isn't hurting anyone else.

Either you're 12 years old or you've never been outside.

Or both.

I think I understand what you mean. However you could have chosen better language to annunciate your thoughts. Given that you are young I will let you get away with it this time - cuz I sure as hell made mistakes when I was your age to!

This is an iffy topic for me also, because I can't imagine what it would be like to be transgender, and also don't understand how you could be that either but I do believe that they should stick with whatever gender they have been given. Being born the "wrong" gender should be the least of their worries when you think about all the defects they could have gotten.

I was half asleep and brain dead when I posted that. Now that I'm rereading it I'm wondering why I even added that reply.

I still mean the same thing, they're different in the mind, so just let them do what makes them happy.

well that is pretty obvious, they are attracted to members of the same sex. that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with gay people

I was flipping through channels and I skipped by some 20/20 or 60 minutes special about this guy who was transgender but didn't consider him/herself gay.

That is because its isnt.

I'd love to be a woman.

Well Rob, we've already seen you in girl's clothing already so far...

Yeah Zhou. There's some people who have a condition in which they think they're supposed to be the opposite gender. They think that the opposite gender are the same as them and having romantic moves with another is considered homosexual to them.

See, that's the thing: 1'500 animal species practice homosexuality. Animals do not have the moral logic to know what is naturally acceptable or unacceptable, and yet it happens in every corner of the natural animal kingdom - to me, it says that homosexuality is extremely natural and something that just happens.

Furthermore, U.S. researchers found genetic links to homosexuality, once again showing that it isn't merely a "choice" but something that is deep-rooted in a person. Swedish scientists found links between genetics and homosexuality, too.

If you're assuming that people "choose" to live a life in which they're discriminated against, looked down upon and become the ass of society merely because their attractions are against the standard conventions of society, then you've got a lot to think about as I'm assuming you haven't really thought hard about this.

As for the topic, I support the wishes of people to change gender. I think that if nature says anything then it's that this sort of thing isn't a black-and-white topic, just because you have a penis or a vagina doesn't change the fact that some people feel they have been born in the wrong gender - and there's nothing wrong with that. If it doesn't harm anyone and if this is how the person feels then let them try to live their life in which they're comfortable in their own skin. That's all that matters.

And sorry that I bumped this up a bit, but hey, some people who don't know much about this topic tend to annoy me.

You know what else? Homosexual males that think girly, non-transsexual males are attractive. That's the stuff.

*Drool*

I rather have a woman with a penis than a man with a vagina for a partner.