So, recently in Geneva, Switzerland; scientists completed the world's largest (not to mention most expensive *cough* 7 billion *cough*) partical accelerator. Its over 70 miles long and somewhere around a mile underground (correct me if I'm wrong) and if this thing were to malfunction, the result would be a black hole that would suck up the entire planet in a few minutes. problem is, it could happen at any time.... so what im trying to ask is, what do you think of this? knowing that eveything near and dear to you could be gone at any moment...(i'll albet though, this is one of the coolest breakthroughs in science since dolly the cloned sheep) support it or hate it, i dont care, post ur response id be happy to reply when i get the chance (and like i said if i made a mistake somewhere, plz correct me)

meh i dont know what to say really.....i guess if it goes right (and we live) then it will be a huge breakthrough, but if we fail......well you already know..

i dont support or hate it (but i hope we live )

There is no proof that a black hole could be created not to mention sustained. No one is arguing that the world will be sucked up in a few minutes. The theories of a couple attention seeking scientists is not going to make me fear something created by 100s of the smartest physicists in the world.

We will never be sucked up into a lame black hole. I believe it is complete and utter BULLSH*T.

I think it's cool, they're trying to see what happened when the world really began. If it works, we'll know a LOT more than we did before.

Technically, there's a slight possibility that anything could happen at any time. You could turn into, say, a cloned sheep in the time it takes you to read this post, but the odds are against it happening. So a black hole could be created via some odd one-in-a-*big number* chance.

But like I said, the odds are against it. Unless you can find another cause of immediate worry, I wouldn't start writing your final will right now.

Chances are that it (The LHC) will yield some astounding breakthoughs, and hopefully a few subatomic particles that we've never thought of. It's as likely to make a mini black hole as a mini....cloned sheep, for example.

So quit worrying and catch up on your sleep.

P.S. "Partical" is spelt "particle."

Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to write a will if the entire world is going down with you, eh?

Actually, there is no chance that we could suddenly turn into a cloned sheep. But honestly, when probably the highest regarded establishment of physicists in the world creates something, it most likely isn't gonna malfunction.

You're right about the "it isn't going to go wrong" part, but about the sheep....

Isn't anything possible via the Heisenbeg Uncertainty Principle? You know, quantum physics and the like, where a lot of things are based on probability. To misquote Einstein, God does play dice with the universe.

Your confused, the uncertainty principle states that you can't know a particles exact location and it's exact velocity at the same time. Though anything can happen at any time, the chances are so minuscule that it's not worth worrying about them.

Well, if we get sucked into a black hole, it's probably a better death than other kinds . (just kidding, i think)

Anyways, I have to agree with Jalen, it could give us more information about how the universe formed with it's big bang recreations.

That's exactly what I meant. To quote myself:

Oh, and do you guys have any ideas on when the first collision will happen? I've heard that initially it was going to be October 22nd, but because of recent sucesses it'll be earlier than planned.

I'd put more stock in your arguements if you spelled 'particle' correctly and if you actually read up on the actual thing.

This argument was based upon a misconception serialized by a spineless biologist. There is no danger of a black hole. First, the chances of it happening are negligible. Secondly, black holes deteriorate from the point they are created. This deterioration is inversely proportional to the mass of the black hole. This means that the "mini-black holes created" would dissipate in a nearly negligible amount of time. Thirdly, if such chances are so small, factoring in quantum physics, we could simply arrive at the conclusion that this has no bearing on the chance of a black hole occurring anyway.

Well why would they make it if theres a chance of a blackhole though

Did you know that there can be some open potholes on the roads.
We shouldn't leave our houses, we might fall in!

The only reason people are panicking at this whole black whole thing is because CERN would be so excited if they saw one. It would die in fractions of a second.

ANIME!!!!! SAVE UR SELF


I think it might happen

Ye, and water is poisened

As of yet, I don't see how smashing a couple of protons together at the speed of light (or double depending on opinon) could create a black hole. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe gravity is that everythng attracts everything else - to some degree. The larger something is, the harder it will attract other things and that is why we are pulled to the earth hard, and why gravity on the moon is six times less than here - due to its size.
A black hole has gravity of insane proportions, so that not even light can escape.
Smashing protons shouldn't be able to create something that big.
If you recall, atom bombs worked by breaking atoms (not sure which part).

I think that if it stuffs up, we're more likely to get an explosion the size of several cities than a black hole.

1. There's actually a kind of crisis that's been going on in physics for a century or two. Gravity doesn't work well with quantum physics, but both have been proven to be right (protons don't work by gravity).

2. It's the energy that's put into more than anything, by "heating up" or putting enough energy into the particles it throws them apart into more fundamental particles.

3. Black holes are actually infinitely small.

4. Atom bombs worked by breaking a nucleus apart, and those protons and neutrons flew across into other nuclei causing a chain reaction.

5. I'm not really sure about this, but I don't think that would happen. You essentially melting the particles down, by putting energy into them, not extracting energy from them.

black hole danger is basically nule

but i guess there're other dangers. The first experience went wrong, some magnets stopped working at almost 0K and it released high ammounts of hellium or something like that. I still think it should be done, it's worth the risk, for thousands of years people have been wondering how the universe was created and this might answer many questions

well id rather learn more about the big bang in the bedroom than in a LHC. Silly scientists.

more serious note is that it would probably be awesome to watch =p

I questioned this myself when I heard about it.
You would think they would have to ask permission from the other countries in the world if it had the risk of destroying thing.
That's like living in America and doing Nuclear Bomb testing on England. (No offense intended).
I wasn't scared that it was going to happen. Just fascinated.

~ Mat

Well they shut it now anyway for a very long time. No need to worry about being vapourised until then...

that sounds silly but actually makes sense. But i guess the danger of destruction is just for switzerland and france. nothing would blow up so bad to affect other countries directly (could do indirectly, when chernobyl blew up it affected many countries with radioactivity)

I think you should stop spamming. Y/N?



Did it? I thought it only affected a 200m perimeter around the explosion.

Anyways, its an international organization, and as Zhou pointed out the theory of a black hole isn't plausible.

i thought it did break?

Not beyond repair. The experiments have just been delayed until sometime in 2009 (I think).

theres no way possialbe it could support it any more then a few milliseconds..

1. Protons don't work by gravity? What are you talking about? The so called "crisis" in physics results from the inability to form a unifying theory. In essence, we see that some of the formulas that hold true for large objects do not for small objects (By large and small I mean by epic proportions). This doesn't mean that they don't affect each other.

3. No they're not. The infinitely small ones are the ones that are being debated, and they're not stable.



I'm not sure you understand how black holes work. They don't "blow up." They suck things in. In any case, the estimated death due to radiation fallout from Chernobyl is huge in comparison to the area affected.

I wasn't talking of a black hole I'm not an expert but i suppose there are other dangers when you do such an experiment.

We're Doomed!

Actually I don't know

NO U

No one can really say whats going to happen or whats not going to happen no matter what research was made or who said what... Well find out what happens when it happens. doh

Since there is no scientific debate, this topic is done. There won't be a black hole.