Trees
Dec 15 2008, 10:30 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/news/index.ssf/20...hot_dad_ov.htmlQUOTE
ELYRIA — Daniel Petric was so angry that his father would not allow him to play the violent video game Halo 3 that he killed his mother and shot his father, then tried to make it appear to be a murder-suicide, prosecutors told a Lorain County judge this morning in the boy's murder trial.
Petric, now 17, had sneaked out of his house to buy the game. But his parents caught him as he came in with the game and took it from him. His father, Mark, put the game in a lockbox in the parents' closet. He also kept a 9 mm handgun in the box, according to prosecutors.
Daniel Petric took the gun and the game out of the box, they said.
There are more and more cases like this. The kid didn't get the idea
from the video game, but the crime was definitely related to the video game. I don't like to say it, because I play video games too, but I do think video games are the cause for certain crimes like this.
Discuss.
Cloud
Dec 15 2008, 11:05 PM
I'd still say that it has no relevance to video games and violence. It could have as easily been something else the kid wanted but his parents wouldn't let him have and he gets angry (iPod, new computer, anything).
Jalen
Dec 15 2008, 11:52 PM
Read the article, he was stuck in his house for a year straight with nothing to do other than watch TV and play videogames. If I was in that situation, I guarantee I would be depressed, frustrated, and just stressed beyond belief really. I wouldn't go to the point to shoot my parents, but I would be mad. Being stuck in your house for a year straight is just evil.
Gir
Dec 16 2008, 12:52 AM
I live in Lorain County
Ohio Ftw
But he actaully lives in Wellington my brother knows him...
Row
Dec 16 2008, 01:04 AM
Holy crap... that poor kid has to live with this for the rest of his life
Tyranno
Dec 16 2008, 01:37 AM
What a terrible, terrible waste...
I mean, Halo 3 was rubbish.
ramos
Dec 16 2008, 01:44 AM
I dont really think video games cause this type of problems. It's the people who play the video games and think that it's cool to recreate it in a real life situation. The boy was lucky his father forgave him after he killed his wife.
Cloud
Dec 16 2008, 02:18 AM
QUOTE(Muskets @ Dec 15 2008, 05:52 PM)
Read the article, he was stuck in his house for a year straight with nothing to do other than watch TV and play videogames.
What do you think I've been doing for the past 5 or so years?
Kev
Dec 16 2008, 02:40 AM
Why the heck was he stuck in his house for a year?
From what I understand, he couldn't play the game. Which seems to me he didn't even play it. But he killed his mom, and tried to kill his dad. I think that's an error on his part. Video games shouldn't be a scapegoat for people's actions. It's the people who decide to do what they do.
bling_masta8
Dec 16 2008, 07:37 PM
Meh I guess that's what happens when people get deprived beyond belief.
Jinhyuk-or Jin
Dec 17 2008, 01:37 AM
I would have an opinion if I had a more in-depth information of the Halo 3 incident (ie. the events BEFORE the murder).
Cobra(Kakashi)
Dec 17 2008, 02:39 AM
QUOTE(Muskets @ Dec 15 2008, 06:52 PM)
Read the article, he was stuck in his house for a year straight with nothing to do other than watch TV and play videogames. If I was in that situation, I guarantee I would be depressed, frustrated, and just stressed beyond belief really. I wouldn't go to the point to shoot my parents, but I would be mad. Being stuck in your house for a year straight is just evil.
Exactly, video games can't be blamed for all the worlds problems and yet its what so many stories come back to... There is always another side to the story, always more at work than just a video game, and it is very hard to seperate the truth from what we want to believe in many of these cases... Yes, video games can have negative effects on people and, in some cases, can even cause the mind to become fragile, confused, and suseptable (no clue about spelling there...) to irrational action... However, you would be hard pressed to find a case where someone was killed strictly due to a video game....
Overdoziz
Dec 17 2008, 04:00 PM
QUOTE
the violent video game Halo 3
I stopped reading here.
Halo 3 may be about killing people/aliens but it's far from realistic. The blood is orange/green/blue/whatever, you kill almost cute-like creatures with weapons which only make 'pew-pew' noises. C'mon, don't tell me that's very harmful.
Bliz
Dec 17 2008, 07:01 PM
Lol.
this kid would have done something retarded anyway, games or no games
besides what chris says, this game isn't really realistic.
Rob
Dec 18 2008, 03:13 PM
I blame Christianity. Obviously since his father's a minister he would have been subjugated to the Christian doctrine from an early age. This created the knowledge that it wouldn't really matter if he shot his parents since they would get their rewards in the afterlife whilst he would get his in this one.
Obviously that's utter rubbish, but it's about as feasible as blaming video games for the fact that a brat didn't get his way and wouldn't accept that. You can't blame video games any more than you can blame the parents for not having raised him to be disciplined.
Cinexz9
Dec 18 2008, 05:04 PM
this game isnt realistic...
Zhou
Dec 20 2008, 10:24 PM
There is a strong correlation of statistics between people who play violent video games and who commit violent crimes. Of course, we can always seek out external circumstances that may have lead to this situation regardless, but such a correlation can not be denied easily.
Jinhyuk-or Jin
Dec 21 2008, 12:23 AM
For some reason, this topic makes me think of the saying:
"Monkey see, Monkey do"
Kev
Dec 21 2008, 06:16 AM
QUOTE(Jinhyuk-or Jin @ Dec 20 2008, 05:23 PM)
For some reason, this topic makes me think of the saying:
"Monkey see, Monkey do"
What, did he see someone kill their parents and was like "oh this is a good idea I will do this!" ?
bling_masta8
Dec 21 2008, 07:10 PM
QUOTE(Kev @ Dec 21 2008, 06:16 AM)
QUOTE(Jinhyuk-or Jin @ Dec 20 2008, 05:23 PM)
For some reason, this topic makes me think of the saying:
"Monkey see, Monkey do"
What, did he see someone kill their parents and was like "oh this is a good idea I will do this!" ?
That would be the appropriate interpretation but I think he meant more on the "monkey" side of things.
Tyranno
Dec 22 2008, 02:55 AM
QUOTE(Zhou @ Dec 20 2008, 10:24 PM)
There is a strong correlation of statistics between people who play violent video games and who commit violent crimes. Of course, we can always seek out external circumstances that may have lead to this situation regardless, but such a correlation can not be denied easily.
As far as I can recall this strong correlation you speak of was never more than some huge media coverage of a few, seperate cases, for most of which there were various other factors?
I think when looking in this context it was more the fact that he wasn't allowed to play the game than he actually was playing it that caused the "incident".
Jinhyuk-or Jin
Dec 23 2008, 02:04 AM
QUOTE(bling_masta8 @ Dec 21 2008, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE(Kev @ Dec 21 2008, 06:16 AM)
QUOTE(Jinhyuk-or Jin @ Dec 20 2008, 05:23 PM)
For some reason, this topic makes me think of the saying:
"Monkey see, Monkey do"
What, did he see someone kill their parents and was like "oh this is a good idea I will do this!" ?
That would be the appropriate interpretation but I think he meant more on the "monkey" side of things.
I PRECISELY meant more on the monkey side of things
Kev
Dec 23 2008, 09:34 PM
QUOTE(Jinhyuk-or Jin @ Dec 22 2008, 07:04 PM)
QUOTE(bling_masta8 @ Dec 21 2008, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE(Kev @ Dec 21 2008, 06:16 AM)
QUOTE(Jinhyuk-or Jin @ Dec 20 2008, 05:23 PM)
For some reason, this topic makes me think of the saying:
"Monkey see, Monkey do"
What, did he see someone kill their parents and was like "oh this is a good idea I will do this!" ?
That would be the appropriate interpretation but I think he meant more on the "monkey" side of things.
I PRECISELY meant more on the monkey side of things
The whole point of that statement is that if someone see someone doing something they will do it too.
Zhou
Dec 24 2008, 06:59 PM
QUOTE(Tyranno @ Dec 21 2008, 08:55 PM)
QUOTE(Zhou @ Dec 20 2008, 10:24 PM)
There is a strong correlation of statistics between people who play violent video games and who commit violent crimes. Of course, we can always seek out external circumstances that may have lead to this situation regardless, but such a correlation can not be denied easily.
As far as I can recall this strong correlation you speak of was never more than some huge media coverage of a few, seperate cases, for most of which there were various other factors?
I think when looking in this context it was more the fact that he wasn't allowed to play the game than he actually was playing it that caused the "incident".
When I say correlation, I do not mean the media. I mean there is statistical evidence to suggest that there may be a causation factor.
I am me and only me
Dec 24 2008, 09:39 PM
QUOTE(Zhou @ Dec 24 2008, 12:59 PM)
QUOTE(Tyranno @ Dec 21 2008, 08:55 PM)
QUOTE(Zhou @ Dec 20 2008, 10:24 PM)
There is a strong correlation of statistics between people who play violent video games and who commit violent crimes. Of course, we can always seek out external circumstances that may have lead to this situation regardless, but such a correlation can not be denied easily.
As far as I can recall this strong correlation you speak of was never more than some huge media coverage of a few, seperate cases, for most of which there were various other factors?
I think when looking in this context it was more the fact that he wasn't allowed to play the game than he actually was playing it that caused the "incident".
When I say correlation, I do not mean the media. I mean there is statistical evidence to suggest that there may be a causation factor.
Maybe they play violent video games because they're already inclined toward violent actions?
Zhou
Dec 24 2008, 11:18 PM
QUOTE
In the second study, 210 college students played either a violent (Wolfenstein 3D) or nonviolent video game (Myst). A short time later, the students who played the violent video game punished an opponent (received a noise blast with varying intensity) for a longer period of time than did students who had played the nonviolent video game.
Everyone can continue saying, "Well maybe there is another factor," but this other factor is neither documented nor identifiable. Furthermore, since research itself is based upon random sampling, stray factors can usually be erased.
I would also like to note I have no bias towards videogames. It is natural for players to be defensive, but you have to look at the facts.
Tyranno
Dec 25 2008, 01:51 AM
Are you serious?
You're using a survey on 400 odd college students as evidence?
Zhou
Dec 25 2008, 02:00 AM
QUOTE(Tyranno @ Dec 24 2008, 07:51 PM)
Are you serious?
You're using a survey on 400 odd college students as evidence?
Are you serious? You're going to dismiss a scientific argument and then expect your own to stand?
It's a comparative study. In science, there's something called a control factor. This is a group that is essentially the same to the group being tested, with the exception that the control group isn't given the independent variable being tested. What this means is that you can compare the effects of something to the effects of something else.
Very different from a survey.
Tyranno
Dec 25 2008, 02:14 AM
Picking on the words I use doesn't change the fact that the control group was hardly large enough to allow for a conclusive statement.
Zhou
Dec 25 2008, 05:05 PM
Your dismissive statement would have led to false conclusions. It wasn't "a survey of odd college students." 100 people is by no means a huge scientific study, but it is clearly sufficient. The chances that they all share some hidden variable is incalculably small.
Furthermore, similar studies have shown similar effects. When people role play, they begin to become the role they are playing. The consequences are not as clear when they are making split-second decisions. The Stanford Prison Experiment was a very famous example of this.
Tyranno
Dec 26 2008, 05:39 AM
QUOTE(Zhou @ Dec 25 2008, 05:05 PM)
When people role play, they begin to become the role they are playing.
Right, thanks for the information. I'm going to go roleplay a dragon badarse now.
Zhou
Dec 26 2008, 10:27 PM
You do that. But don't try flying, you might die.
Studies on role-playing are actually very well documented. It's why personality dissociation disorder (otherwise known as "Multiple Personality Disorder") is so hard to treat.
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