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Ray
I do not believe this. I just found this and posting for lulz. Discuss it anyway.

My sauce is http://members.dslextreme.com/users/rogerm...uare_earth.html
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It is a well-established Biblical fact that the Earth is flat and immobile. Every good Biblical literalist knows the Scriptural passages which demonstrate that the Earth does not move and that its surface is not curved: Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Joshua 10:12, 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalms 93:1 & 96:10 & 104:5, Isaiah 45:18; the list goes on and on.

But far too many lazy Biblical literalists today ignore the plain fact that the Bible also tells us that the flat Earth does not have curved edges. Even the late, great Charles K. Johnson, the valiant fighter for the Truth who carried the message of the earlier Zetetic Astronomers forward into the twentieth and twenty-first centuries by founding the International Flat Earth Society, made the grievous error of assuming that the Earth was shaped like a circular disk. Nothing could be further from the Truth.

The Biblically possible shapes of the Earth
The Book of Revelation, chapter 7, verse 1, makes the following unmistakable statement about the shape of the Earth:
"After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree."
This clearly shows that the Earth has exactly four corners. One might argue that the edges of the Earth between these four corners could be curved. But look at the following passages in the Book of Job:
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens."
— Job 28:24 (NIV translation)
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth."
— Job 37:3 (NIV translation)

Both of these passages clearly state that the earth has ends — that is, straight edges. This, combined with the four corners provided in Revelation 7:1, means that the Earth must be some kind of quadrilateral shape. The possibilities are:
A square
A non-square rectangle
A non-square rhombus (i.e. a "diamond" shape)
A non-rectangular, non-rhombic parallelogram
A trapezoid
A concave quadrilateral
An isosceles quadrilateral
A scalene quadrilateral

Narrowing down the possibilities
We can find more information about the shape of the Earth in the Book of Isaiah:

"He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
— Isaiah 11:12 (NIV translation)
A quarter, of course, means exactly one-fourth. In order for the Earth to have four quarters, it must be of a shape that is divisible into four pieces that are all exactly the same shape and size as one another, i.e. four congruent pieces. Not all quadrilateral shapes can be divided into four congruent pieces.

So, in light of Isaiah 11:12, the two Job passages, and Revelation 7:1, the possible shapes of the Earth are limited to:

A square
A non-square rectangle
A non-square rhombus
A non-rectangular, non-rhombic parallelogram
An isosceles trapezoid with three sides of identical length
An isosceles trapezoid with the shorter parallel side 1/3 the length of the longer parallel side
An isosceles concave quadrilateral

Narrowing down the possibilities even further
Finally, we can look to the mention of the four winds in Revelation 7:1 to give us the last clue. Everybody knows that "the four winds" are the North Wind, the South Wind, the East Wind, and the West Wind. Right? Well, Revelation 7:1 clearly shows four angels holding back these four winds. In order for each angel to "hold back" one of the Four Winds, he would have to be standing at the point on the Earth from whence the Wind originated. Thus, to hold back the North Wind, an angel would have to be standing at the northernmost point on the Earth. To hold back the South Wind, an angel would have to be standing at the southernmost point on the Earth. Et cetera. The four angels would have to have been standing at the northernmost, southernmost, easternmost, and westernmost points on the Earth — in other words, at the extreme ends of the four main compass points.

But we already know that they were also standing at the four corners of the Earth. This means that the four corners of the Earth are located at the compass points! A non-square rectangle, a non-rhombic parallelogram, or an isosceles trapezoid cannot be aligned in such a way that their corners are pointing directly at the compass points. Only a rhombic shape can be aligned in such a way. Therefore, when we have carefully examined all the clues in Revelation 7:1, combined with the two Job passages and Isaiah 11:12, the only two possible shapes for the Earth are:

A square, or
A non-square rhombus
. . . with its corners oriented to point directly north, south, east, and west.

Why the Earth must be square
We know that God is perfect. God would, therefore, have created the Earth in the most perfect shape possible. As I've already proven, we know from Rev 7:1, Isaiah 11:12, and Job that the Earth must be a rhombus of some sort. It makes good Biblical sense that God would have created Earth to be the most perfect kind of rhombus possible. The most perfect kind of rhombus is the square. Its rectilinear corners perfectly match the rectitude of God. Therefore, the Earth must be square.

And if that's not enough to convince you, consider this: Of all the nations on Earth today, God most loves the United States of America. (This is evident from songs like "God Bless America," and from the fact that Pat Robertson, God's chosen spokesman, lives in the U.S..) America's national pastime is the game of baseball. Baseball is played on a "diamond", which is perfectly square in shape — and which, I might add, has its corners oriented to point toward the four compass points. God would not have made baseball into the national pastime of His favorite nation if He didn't have a higher purpose in mind for it. Clearly, His higher purpose is to show us the True shape of the Earth. The Earth must be perfecly square, just like the diamond-shaped field in God's Chosen Sport is square.

(More evidence for the God/Baseball/Square-Earth connection can be found in the shape of the base bags, which are also perfectly square and oriented with their corners facing the same compass points that the diamond as a whole does, and in the fact that baseball's most sacred ritual is called the World Series. And lest you doubt that Baseball is a divinely inspired game, I remind you that Charley McDowell has noted that the 90-foot distance between home plate and first base, which is just the right distance to make the game exciting, "was a pick from heaven.")

The supporting pillars
Take a gander at this passage from First Samuel:

"He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them."
— 1 Samuel 2:8 (KJV translation)
This clearly shows that the Earth rests on an unspecified number of pillars. (A couple of translations of the Old Testament floating around say "foundations" or "fixtures" in place of pillars, but the original Hebrew word that appears here is "Matsuwq", which literally means a cast metal support, a pillar, or a column.) What the pillars themselves are resting on is unknown. They might not be resting upon anything. Perhaps they are being held up by divine grace. Perhaps they are infinitely tall. All we know for sure is that a set of pillars beneath the Earth must exist.
This means that Hell, which is under the Earth, is interrupted by pillars in some places. This may explain how Satan is going to break out of Hell after the thousand years of peace in Revelation: perhaps he's going to climb up one of these pillars. This is a speculation for another webpage, however.


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tl;dr = Kid preaching about how the bible says the earth is square. And believes it.

Discuss
Broli
Okay, I'm a Christian and I think this is just flat out stupid. This kid is taking scriptures out of context firstly and manipulating them for his own needs to show he is "right". Second of all, all these scriptures don't even back up his stupid accusation of the earth being "square". For being a Christian, this makes me upset because people like this in the Christian world who take scriptures out of context and manipulate the Word to fulfill what they want. Plain and simple, this kid is stupid. Has he not seen pictures of Earth from outer space before? I mean he is even bringing Baseball into his logic for "supporting" his idea. He's even saying that God loves America most because we have the song "God Bless America" for goodness sake, rofl. If he even he even partially reads the Bible, which I highly doubt he does, it says He loves everyone. This kid seriously must be on crack. He's the kind of person that gives us a bad rep.
Spire
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Airline pilots are also in league with the devil.

That is the craziest webpage I have ever seen.

That kid is out of his mind.
Ray
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Has he not seen pictures of Earth from outer space before?


Well...you're a christian. You should KNOW that pictures are in league with the devil.
Bloodthir
Man, the Earth used to be cool before all this Bible stuff too. It's changed, man. I liked the old Earth.
Kev
QUOTE(pkerdr.broli @ Jun 28 2009, 07:32 AM) *

Okay, I'm a Christian and I think this is just flat out stupid. This kid is taking scriptures out of context firstly and manipulating them for his own needs to show he is "right". Second of all, all these scriptures don't even back up his stupid accusation of the earth being "square". For being a Christian, this makes me upset because people like this in the Christian world who take scriptures out of context and manipulate the Word to fulfill what they want. Plain and simple, this kid is stupid. Has he not seen pictures of Earth from outer space before? I mean he is even bringing Baseball into his logic for "supporting" his idea. He's even saying that God loves America most because we have the song "God Bless America" for goodness sake, rofl. If he even he even partially reads the Bible, which I highly doubt he does, it says He loves everyone. This kid seriously must be on crack. He's the kind of person that gives us a bad rep.

Christian debaters like Kent Hovind take random verses from the Bible to support his points. Can't this guy do the same? Even if he is wrong... he tried.
Broli
But he sounds like he is on an acid trip Kev, lol.
Kev
QUOTE(pkerdr.broli @ Jun 28 2009, 12:23 PM) *

But he sounds like he is on an acid trip Kev, lol.

I agree with you there
I am me and only me
Christians, this is what you look like to atheists...all the time.
Rob
I like his argument. I may prefer that he double source and didn't source at all from the bible, but otherwise this is sound. I mean he may be taking figurative language literally, but that rarely stops people. All in all I think he ought to become a preacher (It's an odd lack of knowledge but I've no idea how you become a priest/vicar/preacher) as soon as possible.
Plant
Well he does have a point, squares do have 4 sides.
Bliz
it's true.

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rune_low_rider
QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 3 2009, 03:20 PM) *

it's true.

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lawl xD
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that made my day... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Spire @ Jun 28 2009, 10:39 AM) *

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Airline pilots are also in league with the devil.

That is the craziest webpage I have ever seen.

That kid is out of his mind.


Excuse me? Pilots are also in the league with the devil? I take offence to that. realmad.gif

Yup, this kid def' is wack.
Otter
QUOTE(I am me and only me @ Jun 28 2009, 05:44 PM) *

Christians, this is what you look like to atheists...all the time.


Lol'd.
Trees
This only further proves that 97% of the content on the internet is complete bull.
Also, he could be trolling. Nowadays you don't know who isn't.
Kevinboos
QUOTE(pkerdr.broli @ Jun 28 2009, 10:32 AM) *

Okay, I'm a Christian and I think this is just flat out stupid.

Pun intended? H.gif

Anyways, stupid. Nice globe Niek tongue.gif.
Broli
QUOTE(Kevin B @ Jul 4 2009, 09:47 PM) *

QUOTE(pkerdr.broli @ Jun 28 2009, 10:32 AM) *

Okay, I'm a Christian and I think this is just flat out stupid.

Pun intended? H.gif

Anyways, stupid. Nice globe Niek tongue.gif.

Oo, too bad I didn't mean for it to sound like a pun.

I mean yes, that was so intended. heh.gif
Barak
tl;dr


but basically, I think everyone agrees by now that the earth is in fact a sphere of some kind... and whoever believes otherwise, is either just basically uneducated or stupid.
Overdoziz
QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 3 2009, 09:20 PM) *

it's true.

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That's a cube.
I am me and only me
QUOTE(Overdoziz @ Jul 5 2009, 01:08 PM) *
QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 3 2009, 09:20 PM) *

it's true.


That's a cube.


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sonic718
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just had to do it
rocof
the four corners is just an expression. it is not literal. When you want to say that someone, for example, as been in many places you say he has been to the four corners of the earth (at least in portuguese we say that).
As far as I know, a sphere can be divided in four equal parts. Besides, the most "perfect shape" would be a sphere.

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Of all the nations on Earth today, God most loves the United States of America


whoever wrote that has no knowledge of the bible or God. He loves everyone equally. The author is proving the earth is square according to the bible, but then he says God loves america because there are songs which say so? doesn't make sense.

I'm christian, and i obviously know the earth is not square. I've learnt not to take the words of the bible literaly. That's not the proper way to read it and it only leads to misunderstandings of what is actually our religion.

I thought we couldn't debate religion here :S
Zhou
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I thought we couldn't debate religion here :S


As hilarious as I think this is, I think people probably will get offended by this as a general attack on religion.
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